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Old 10-04-2011, 10:31 PM
 
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:51 PM
 
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So then when a contingent of non-lazy vigilant citizens organizes a protest...ah forget it.
The fact is that they were lazy when it counted.
Now it's too late. Corruption is a cancer. It cannot be eradicated; only managed. The only certainty is death.

There is nothing they can do now. It's simply too late. This will play out until the current system dies. I would be happy if they facilitated the death (i.e. armed resistance) but we know that's not going to happen.

The only options at this point are; withdraw as much as possible from the current system and protect yourself for the future changes. Profit from the current system. Or waste time trying to stop the inevitable.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:14 PM
 
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The fact is that they were lazy when it counted.
Now it's too late. Corruption is a cancer. It cannot be eradicated; only managed. The only certainty is death.

There is nothing they can do now. It's simply too late. This will play out until the current system dies. I would be happy if they facilitated the death (i.e. armed resistance) but we know that's not going to happen.

The only options at this point are; withdraw as much as possible from the current system and protect yourself for the future changes. Profit from the current system. Or waste time trying to stop the inevitable.
Thanks for that ray of sunshine. If everybody thought like you it would be 1984 already.
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Old 10-05-2011, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Thanks for that ray of sunshine. If everybody thought like you it would be 1984 already.

1984 came and went pretty much along the predicted lines and they have been enhancing the sytem's reach and power the last 27 years. "But let's keep it quiet lest the public would panic" (my favorite Horror movie ploy.)


wawaweewah is completely correct if a bit too optimistic.

The collapse of the system, long predicted, will be cataclysmic and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Any effort to change the system would be like paddling your kayak REAL HARD after you have already gone over Niagara.

The next technique to be tried, as always, will be worldwide nationalist isolationism and "beggar thy neighbor" techniques. The plutocrats will surround themselves with walls and security armies just like any banana republic and the Worldwide Depression will go on and on and on, ever deepening. Some countries will turn to a savior...think Hitler, Roosevelt, Stalin.

But the system will not go quietly...it will protect itself against the masses with machine guns and tanks.

The upside???? The last Depression was ended by a World War and annhililation of most developed countries except one. World War then seems to our last best hope. Oh JOY!

As for the 1984 analogy...remember, during the last Depression everyone's phone wasn't tapped and all communications weren't monitored like today and everyone wasn't watching the same TV channels all owned by a dozen corporations.


So yes, wawaweewa's pessimism is very well grounded. It will be hideously ugly and it is inevitable.
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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Big march today at 4:30 involving many unions and community groups. A list can be found here: #OccupyWallStreet Union March From Foley Square on Wall Street | OccupyWallSt.org

If you want to watch the march live you can find a feed here: globalrevolution - live streaming video powered by Livestream.
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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^ "Big" is a relative term. A turnout large enough to completely ruin traffic? Who wants to give odds on that?
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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Fred stop being such a naysayer..they are fighting for your rights too..and to make the world better for everyone. Instead of harping on the negative, you should be supportive. 3 weeks ago you didn't bat an eye..most people didn't..and now? Donations flooding in across the globe, media is taking notice, others are sprouting in cities across the country....see a trend yet?
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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^ "Big" is a relative term. A turnout large enough to completely ruin traffic? Who wants to give odds on that?
Like Sobroguy said, they're fighting for your pension too, and your buddies in the transit workers union will be marching today.

Considering what happened last Sat on the bridge, and with the added numbers from unions, its safe to say that today should be the largest demonstration yet.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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I work down by City Hall and the protests today are definitely big. They can be heard from my office (and I work on one of the top floors)
I admit I haven't really taken notice of the protests before today.

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Old 10-06-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Like Sobroguy said, they're fighting for your pension too, and your buddies in the transit workers union will be marching today.
As a matter of fact, my own union didn't send out any messages about this. I could have been there.

And as far as that 'naysayer' comment goes, I happen not to be a naysayer. I just don't believe that this whole Occupy Wall Street is a legitimate movement. I'd change my mind in an instant if I saw similar protests in other cities. Do you know if there are any?
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