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Old 10-14-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Again that's NO LAW ABRIDGING THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE.
Remember that the Constitution only applies to the Federal Government except in places where is specifically mentions the States. The 1st Amendement specifically mentions Congress for a reason.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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"but what about Toussaint L'Ouverture"

Resistance in a slave society (real slave society, not pretend slave society, please don't go there) versus resistance in a free society.
They both broke the chains of colonialism with different methods.

Big day tomorrow: ‘Indignant’ protests to sweep across world | The Raw Story
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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One of my biggest problems with modern protest:
Everyone is trying to take a picture instead of actually being in the protest. Theres no need for 30 people with cameras to be on the front line.
"The whole world is watching". Well, the whole world can't watch if no one records it.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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"The whole world is watching". Well, the whole world can't watch if no one records it.
Thats what the 'bystanders" do and is it that hard to have a few people in the back recording?

Its "all about me' and 'I was there'.

But thats society these days. YOu didnt have a great time at the bar last night if you didnt take 100 pics. I swear some people everything needs to be a photo.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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"you would still be a British subject, overtaxed, unrepresented, and a second class citizen begging for equal treatment, slavery would still be legal,"

Doesn't make much sense, slavery was abolished in the British Empire way before it ended in the US. Also, Lincoln was a republican.

"Do you think the Tea Party (the real historic one) revolt against the British would have succeeded had they simply had a civil "sit in", authorized and controlled by the British?"

Basically thats what worked for Ghandi in India against the British.
The Indian partition was one of the most violent bloodbaths in human history. The partition was a condition of British withdrawal.

The fact is, we would all prefer a peaceful transition and as long as we can see that as a possibility, hopefully with both sides talking, violence does not generally occur.

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Old 10-14-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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Thats what the 'bystanders" do and is it that hard to have a few people in the back recording?

Its "all about me' and 'I was there'.

But thats society these days. YOu didnt have a great time at the bar last night if you didnt take 100 pics. I swear some people everything needs to be a photo.

Yea it is pretty ridiculous, its like it didn't happen if its not uploaded to facebook 5 seconds after it happened. Don't even get me started on that.

But its better to have more people recording things like police brutality than less people, so in this case I give society a free pass.
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Old 10-14-2011, 07:36 PM
 
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Remember that the Constitution only applies to the Federal Government except in places where is specifically mentions the States. The 1st Amendement specifically mentions Congress for a reason.
I guess you must have stopped reading the constitution when you got to amendment 14?
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Old 10-14-2011, 07:52 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Default What about the Zuccoti residents?

They've lost the use of their park, and they now have to put up with the congestion, noise, and dirt.

And if demonstrators can gum up a private property like Zuccoti Park, does that mean that other groups were also right to do so?

Last edited by bmwguydc; 10-14-2011 at 08:42 PM.. Reason: General comparison as the second group mentioned is not a NYC-only topic
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:26 PM
 
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First, I'm not sure that Wall Streeters, who have in so many cases destroyed people's homes and property, have much grounds for a comparison.

Second,Mod cut I'm not really up to date on the Wall Street protests, but they don't seem comparable in terms of the interference or feeling of being threatened.

Last edited by bmwguydc; 10-14-2011 at 08:42 PM.. Reason: Second issue in OP was not a NYC-only issue, hence removed
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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First, I'm not sure that Wall Streeters, who have in so many cases destroyed people's homes and property, have much grounds for a comparison.

Second, Mod cut I'm not really up to date on the Wall Street protests, but they don't seem comparable in terms of the interference or feeling of being threatened.
Do people realize that many of those who work on Wall Street or in the finance sector in NYC are mid office and back office types who don't make hundreds of thousands/ millions of dollars?

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