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Payne you have it reverse - they're ALL murderers.
It wasn't genocide, it was war. I wouldn't count that as murder. Are you saying that we should never have war then? Yeah, it'd be nice to never have to war with nations but let's get real here, it happens. The best thing we can do is keep the wars to only when necessary and go through Congress to start/go to war. The last war that went through Congress was World War II.
If it's not self defense it's murder. Pre-emptive war is not defense, it is aggression.
Columbus certainly was genocide if that's what you were referring to, and if you were referring to Che, well I don't see how anything he did could come close to being considered genocide.
The answer to "dealing" with the protestors is not to arrest them, and Cuomo has lost the little respect I have for him. You don't protest by filing a permit, staying quiet, and not bothering anyone or following every law...the point is to make noise, break laws, and demonstrate that changes needs to come.
Our leadership should be supportive of the protestors, and engaging them in discussions, and not trying to criminalize them! Any elected official who wants to criminalize citizens because they are protesting the rife corruption in private businesses and our government should be shunned and removed from office. Cuomo is one of those leaders.
No way! Brown paper bags are produced by the Brown Paper Bag corporation. I am going to take a dump on the soil of Zuccotti Park like mother nature intended us to do.
No way! Brown paper bags are produced by the Brown Paper Bag corporation. I am going to take a dump on the soil of Zuccotti Park like mother nature intended us to do.
An excerpt from a statement of solidarity from the people in Cairo that pins down the spirit of the movement:
"We are not protesting. Who is there to protest to? What could we ask them for that they could grant? We are occupying. We are reclaiming those same spaces of public practice that have been commodified, privatized and locked into the hands of faceless bureaucracy , real estate portfolios, and police ‘protection’. Hold on to these spaces, nurture them, and let the boundaries of your occupations grow. After all, who built these parks, these plazas, these buildings? Whose labor made them real and livable? Why should it seem so natural that they should be withheld from us, policed and disciplined? Reclaiming these spaces and managing them justly and collectively is proof enough of our legitimacy.
In our own occupations of Tahrir, we encountered people entering the Square every day in tears because it was the first time they had walked through those streets and spaces without being harassed by police; it is not just the ideas that are important, these spaces are fundamental to the possibility of a new world. These are public spaces. Spaces forgathering, leisure, meeting, and interacting – these spaces should be the reason we live in cities. Where the state and the interests of owners have made them inaccessible, exclusive or dangerous, it is up to us to make sure that they are safe, inclusive and just. We have and must continue to open them to anyone that wants to build a better world, particularly for the marginalized, excluded and for those groups who have suffered the worst .
What you do in these spaces is neither as grandiose and abstract nor as quotidian as “real democracy”; the nascent forms of praxis and social engagement being made in the occupations avoid the empty ideals and stale parliamentarianism that the term democracy has come to represent. And so the occupations must continue, because there is no one left to ask for reform. They must continue because we are creating what we can no longer wait for."
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