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Old 11-20-2011, 12:17 PM
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Nothing like a little schadenfreude to brighten one's day, eh?
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:25 PM
Location: Austin
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Occupy Wall Street leaders occupy $700 per night hotel suits as paying guests. Back in my college days we questioned all authority, read authors like John Locke (and Kurt Vonnegut, of course) and thought things through for ourselves. Today’s students defer to their college professors, think as they’re told to by those professors and the liberal elite of Hollywood and never strain for an original thought of their own. Hope and change.

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Old 11-20-2011, 01:54 PM
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Originally Posted by wawaweewa View Post
Why does it have to be dems or repubs or libertarians or socialists or any other label?
There are as many opinions as there are individuals and it's misguided to pigeonhole people into a certain label.

The sooner people drop these labels, the quicker we come to finding solutions.
Labels are not to pigeonhole people, but to discuss ideas.
What if we could not say OWS? How much more difficult would it be to discuss things on City Data?

I think the idea is not for a new political party, but to change the system to have safeguards against this happening again. Glass Steagall was put in place after the Great Depression to prevent another such occurrence. Starting with Reagan both parties whittled away at it under pressure from the financial industry, until this.
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Old 11-20-2011, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainNJ View Post
you can try to qualify yourself all you like, but then when you follow it with your own conjured up bs, you make it apparent you dont know what you are talking about. you are basically taking up your notion of libertarianism and then taking it to an even more extreme level that you couldnt support if you did any research. the goal is to have government as small as is necessary, not to eliminate it completely.
I have been to enough debates and lectures by Libertarians to know where their philosophy lies and the logical conclusions for the masses in their perceived utopia. Rather than throw hissy fits, why don't you enlighten me as to where I have gone wrong.

Government is a necessary evil. I think we would all wish it would operate more efficiently and that elected officials would be honest. But government does do good. We have cleaner air and water due to regulations. Our food is certainly safer than it would be with no inspections at all. The same for regulations preventing death and handicaps from happening on many jobs. I am glad for the government mandated inspections of trucks, planes, trains, busses.

Our tax dollars go for many things that we all benefit from. This is what civilization is about. Ayn Rand's philosophy concentrates even more power in the hands of the wealthy. They would get all the schools, police, etc, that they could pay for and most of us would just have to fend for ourselves. Libertarians would do away with Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment compensation. I have never availed myself of these, but I am happy to pay taxes to help out my friends and neighbors thru them.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:43 PM
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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Originally Posted by goldengrain View Post
Rather than throw hissy fits, why don't you enlighten me as to where I have gone wrong.
do your own research. your primary problem is that you dont understand the difference between minimal government and no government.
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:46 PM
Location: Washington, DC & New York
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This thread is in the NYC forum for the OWS in NYC as it relates to NYC, not the entire movement. Please save discussions of policy and politics for the threads in the politics forum. Thank you.
All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages.
~William Shakespeare
(As You Like It Act II, Scene VII)

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainNJ View Post
are you using goldengrain's post as if its the platform of the libertarian party? he has no idea what he is talking about and neither do you. firstly, you already pay for police and fire. secondly, nobody is saying that your scenario is how it would ever play out. thirdly, how does it sound like fascism to you???? you are just saying silly garbage to sound dramatic, even you know that what you are saying is ridiculous.
Yes, we all pay for fire and police services but if I where to end up in a situation where I lost my job and couldn't pay taxes I would feel more comfortable living in a system where I could still use those services regardless if I could or could not pay for said services, whether it be directly of indirectly. And what do you mean that's how how it would play out? What I stated is exactly what happens when public services turn to the free market.
Fascism is what happens when you turn control of publicly owned markets into the hands of corporations, so it indeed sounds like fascism.

You know what happens when the Free Market doesn't have any sort of government regulation? You get: 17 hour workdays, No over time, slave wages, children working hazardous conditions, No sick leave, easy termination, No Workers' compensation, no fire regulations, you can say government regulation is bad, but history isn't on your side.
Unless you don't benefit any of these rights, I suggest you stop trolling.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:23 AM
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Originally Posted by REM View Post
I've yet to see one person who criticizes the OWS come up with any solution to solve this countries problems.
I forget exactly what they call what you are doing here, but it's a pointless statement either way. Just because I don't agree with the OWS crowd and their tactics does not mean I either agree with the corruption of government, or lack ideas on how to proceed. I can also have the same complaints as them and still say that they don't speak for me. If you understood that concept, then your question never would have been asked.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:28 AM
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Is OWS still ongoing or did it fizzle out?
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:39 AM
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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If my father and grand father poured the foundations of the bank towers ...If they were the early employess of the corporations in their early years - If - It was my father and mother that built up these corporations who became multi-nationals ? Does it make sense that these corporations should have some sort of loyality concerning the well being of the children of the people who built them up? The whole problem here and the decline of the middle class is in the fact that big buisness has no sense of duty or loyalty to the decendants of those that created them....kind of like being ripped off for your inheritance by some shifty lawyers. America and Canada have the same problem - on of familiar loyalty....Big buisness needs to develope a thing call honor.

If this was ancient times...and I was the lord of the manner - and I had in my wardship...2000 surfs..who had served me in war and in labour..who had enriched me through their diligent efforts..through their loyality - would it be right from me to send their children off into poverty because I have found another set of slaves that will work cheaper? This is the problem..the protestors must time travel and compare their status quo to that of other eras....If AMERICA - has prospered through war...that elite - owe more than a debt of gratitude for those who served and lost their lives...they owe them a little bit of money - that I am sure they are willing to provide continued service for...

Eventually these stupid corporations will come to the point where they will have no standing army - because the common serf will refuse to be a sucker and fight to keep them prosperous.
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