Too many "dreamers" in this forum

[Alysse157]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

I am glad that you recognize that the world does not revolve around NYC....there are plenty of great cities in this country, as well as the world. I encourage everyone to go out and live their lives out there....as there are 10 people anxiously waiting to take your place and pay more for it to.

Well, of course. And that's part of the problem. I don't have an issue with people wanting to move here for whatever reasons they might have. People should live in whatever area makes them happy and provides them with the type of lifestyle they're seeking. But what bothers me is that there are so many people willing to pour money into high-priced real estate, driving demand way up, meanwhile none of our elected officials seem to care that there's a need for more moderately priced housing. Something that falls in between low-income housing and luxury condos. Granted, there seem to be tons of ugly Fedders buildings going up all over the outer boroughs. (Seriously, have builders here never heard of central air or they just getting kickbacks?). Thing is, even 2-BR condos in one of these monstrosities in Gravesend/Homecrest are going for $400K. That's a ripoff, in my opinion.

We could debate for hours about which generation had it toughest. My grandparents will tell you they had it rough in the post-war era. My parents' generation likes to talk about how they grew up poor, but endured the bad times and later survived the hellish 70s. But ya know what? Both my parents and grandparents were able to buy 1-family houses on a single income. They may have struggled, but life couldn't have been all that rough. Meanwhile, fast forward to the current day, how many people in this city can afford to buy a nice home on a single income? Just doesn't seem possible anymore.

A lot of people seem to think that younger generations are a bunch of whiners and complainers with a sense of entitlement. That might be true of some, but it's also true that we work long hours (no such thing as a M-F 9-5 job anymore.. must be connected at all times including evenings and weekends), have little job security in the corporate world (no matter how hard you work or the quality of work that you do, your company will lay you off if it helps the bottom line), and that salaries are not keeping up with the rising cost of living. So, perhaps we complain not out of a sense of entitlement, but because we're disillusioned after working so hard, yet having little to show for it.

[Guywithacause]

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Unfortunately, it is not white people moving into these "ghettos" or neighborhoods full of people of color, it is white people reclaiming areas that were once white. So no, people of color do not have a right to any neighborhood anymore than the white people who were there first had a right to them.

Once a neighborhood goes black/hispanic or whatever color, does not make it the end of history, and it is not yours forever. Sorry to break it to you...but there is room for everyone..white's made more than enough room for people of color, so now white's are reclaiming some space...that's the way it goes. Would it have been better if white's said no..we don't want people of color, and as a result did not move and provide space for them?

Neighborhoods change...people change..and those that try to segregate and isolate are those that do a disservice to the communities that they purport to care so much about.

[Elvira Black]

Absolutely, Guy.

[Guywithacause]

Agreed that the game has changed and it is harder now. No doubt...but your parents were playing a different game when they were purchasing that single family home back then. You didn't have people buying $400 shoes, $1,000 handbags, and $100 cell phones. You did not have $5 cups of coffee, or kids demanding Prada and Dolce.

Nor did you need an MBA for what a College or even a HS degree paid back then...you were not saddled with student loan debts, fat car payments, or outrageous car insurance. Get it? It is not unique to housing...it is everything....to make comparisons to what your parents had, or the lifestyle you believe they had, is ludicrous and pointless..as it was a different time, different game.

I agree that the city requires more affordable housing (as in working class/middle income). For the record..the city IS providing more of that in the Bronx..then again..you do not believe it is "worth risking your life" and "cannot raise a family there" so it is moot. You cannot have your cake and eat it too...you want middle income housing? They sure ain't gonna build it next to Bloomberg's $45 million dollar home...or provide it as the penthouse suite of the Time-Warner building..let's be reasonable.

You will get affordable housing where it is appropriate, needed, and where there is space for it....in the outerboroughs, and typically in naighborhoods you deem "undesireable" for whatever reason. Why even bring it up then?

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

I am glad you said it Hustla..because those of us who love living in this city do what it takes, including paying $5,000 a month...and probably that amount or close to it in the South Bronx soon enough. Many people cannot understand that concept...and that's okay...there is a huge world out there that offers something for everyone. So why criticize those that choose to pay up the nose to live where they want? Make room, because there are 10 people behind you looking to take your spot and pay more without complaining.

It is unfortunate that you cannot live where you want at the price you set or think is fair. Welcome to the real world! I would rather be paying $200 a month and living in the West Village....but I don't and life goes on...I pay $1,250 and live in Mott Haven because it is worth it to me and all the others that are moving here or staying here. If I did not think it was worth it, I too would be moving somewhere that is better. Nobody owes you anything, including any sort of lifestyle..you have to earn that..often times the hard way.

If you are looking for sympathy because you want your cake and eat it too, well you will likely not find it from anyone on this board. It is basic economics....demand versus supply...if everyone wants that 1 can of tuna...you can bet that it is not gonna be .99 cents anymore. Period....and that is how value is assessed..the only way for that matter. Whether you choose to recognize it or not, agree with it or not, that is the way the world, for better or worse, functions. 15 years ago, nobody wanted the 2/3 family homes they were putting up in the South Bronx..and as a result they were selling for $90,000 in many cases, with further subsidies from the city and virtually no money down...nobody wanted that tuna.

Now they are putting up new 2/3 family homes in the South Bronx that are selling for $600,000, because the demand is there...simple. If you do not see the value, do not buy. If you do not see the point of living in this city, there is a world out there waiting for you. Coming here complaining about not getting what you want, or not getting a chance, or getting cheated out of something that you feel you deserve, is a waste of time on this board as well as in the real world. Make your own opportunities, sacrifice, and do what it takes. If it is not worth it to you to live here...then it is clear you should not be here. Simple.

"including paying $5,000 a month...and probably that amount or close to it in the South Bronx soon enough."

Please tell me I did not read this...

If rent in the South Bronx ever gets up to $5,000 dollars a month, then the value of the dollar went to ****. Inflation. How can you compare the South Bronx to an apartment in the Middle of Manhattan? It's NOT THE SAME. They will never be equal. That doesn't even consider the fact NYC is attempting to make the South Bronx it's dumping ground for the poor. The one and only ghetto of NYC. "Trying". Of course, census data shows us poverty in NYC is on the rise becuase you is moving to this city? IMMIGRANTS. They are not rich.

Your a dreamer, plain and simple. The title of this thread fits you perfectly. You either have no common sense or you just like to strait up lie. Unlike what you would like to belive, most people are like "the hell is this guy talking about?". What you say is bull****.

Let me try to educate you on something:

-We live in a capitist society.

-Some people will be rich, others will not.

-Every city in America will have poor areas.

-The South Bronx is currently a poor Black/Latino ghetto of NYC.

-The city is "attempting" to gentrify some ghettos across the city. Harlem is a perfect example of this.

-Some young proffesionals are buying properties in crappy city neighborhoods becuase they cannot afford the sky high rent in decent city neighborhoods, but they would like to live in NYC. They have their reasons.

-Of course by far, the biggest growth is in the lower income category, IMMIGRANTS. Not young proffesionals.

-The middle class is still fleeing the city. High living cost, housing not worth it's price, **** schools, and other city problems.

-The city is building pretty much all the cities low income housing in the Bronx. Mostly in the South Bronx.

-The displaced from other sections of the city are moving into the South Bronx. These people live in poverty or close to the poverty line.

-The future of the South Bronx is a low income community. There are no current trends stateing other wise.

DEAL WITH IT.

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Yes I too agree that Hustla's motives is to keep whites in "their part of town" and to leave the other neighborhoods as is. Unfortunately, it is not white people moving into these "ghettos" or neighborhoods full of people of color, it is white people reclaiming areas that were once white. So no, people of color do not have a right to any neighborhood anymore than the white people who were there first had a right to them.

Once a neighborhood goes black/hispanic or whatever color, does not make it the end of history, and it is not yours forever. Sorry to break it to you...but there is room for everyone..white's made more than enough room for people of color, so now white's are reclaiming some space...that's the way it goes. Would it have been better if white's said no..we don't want people of color, and as a result did not move and provide space for them?

Neighborhoods change...people change..and those that try to segregate and isolate are those that do a disservice to the communities that they purport to care so much about.

Really...

I advise everyone in NYC to look for decent city neighborhoods. I don't recommend ****holes like the South Bronx to anyone. Black, Latino, White, whatever race.

Searching for a place to live in NYC, is like buying a car. You look towards a certain make (the city) and test out the different models (neighborhoods). You don't recommend a friend to buy the car with the lowest reviews (the ghetto). If you can't find a decent car from that make (city), you look to another.

[Guywithacause]

Lol....Hustla clearly apts in the Bronx, especially those in the Lower Bronx are not going to be charging $5,000 for a 2 bedroom apt anytime soon and they are not the same...that was sarcasm. However, I already know of 1 apt by 158 and Grand Concourse that charges $2,200 for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath @ 811 Walton. I have already contacted the listing agent and yes, they get these rents! See how long it's on there. Furthermore, you will find for the larger 3 and 4 bedroom apts, rents are easily $2,000 plus in places you call "the ghetto" like Soundview (Shorehaven community). Do your homework.

And I will be the first one to admit that I am a dreamer and a visionary. It was dreamers that founded nations, it was dreamers that discovered cures, dreamers that believed we could fly high in the sky, dreamers that built this great country, dreamers that got us to the moon, and it is dreamers that are improving areas like Mott Haven, Bed-Stuy, and Harlem. The difference is, we are not JUST dreamers or visionaries, we take action..and that is the difference between those who talk, complain, and criticize, and those that dream and do.

Common sense is a very fluid and evolving thing, for common sense told us (and "facts" supported) that the earth was flat. Common sense further told us, back in 1800, that flying in the sky was impossible, dumb, and ridiculous. Your common sense also told you not invest in areas like Mott Haven 10 years ago, which prevented you from reaping the rewards that many have enjoyed, because they did not listen to what you call "common sense."

I agree that there will always be areas, rich and poor, high crime, low crime, where we differ, is that you do not understand that communities change for the better..and sometimes for the worse...but rarely stay the same. Your limited knowledge and experience bounded by the last 30 years in the Bronx has skewed your perception, as it is not representative of the historical natural ebb and flow of people, neighborhoods, and communities not just in the Bronx or NYC, but in the world.

You will always see the one abandoned car on the street, but never the 6 new houses behind it.

[Alysse157]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

I agree that the city requires more affordable housing (as in working class/middle income). For the record..the city IS providing more of that in the Bronx..then again..you do not believe it is "worth risking your life" and "cannot raise a family there" so it is moot. You cannot have your cake and eat it too...you want middle income housing? They sure ain't gonna build it next to Bloomberg's $45 million dollar home...or provide it as the penthouse suite of the Time-Warner building..let's be reasonable.

You will get affordable housing where it is appropriate, needed, and where there is space for it....in the outerboroughs, and typically in naighborhoods you deem "undesireable" for whatever reason. Why even bring it up then?

Maybe you can't understand this because you're a guy. I'm not asking to live next door to the TW Center. But if you had a daughter in her 20s or 30s, who was single, and often came home after dark because she works long hours, how would you feel about her coming home to one of these neighborhoods that realtors have deemed "up-and-coming", but in reality, will still be a bit sketchy for the next few years? Such areas might be considered perfectly fine for you, but as a single female, I have a different perspective because I cannot as easily defend myself if I'm harassed or jumped while walking the street.

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by Alysse157

Maybe you can't understand this because you're a guy. I'm not asking to live next door to the TW Center. But if you had a daughter in her 20s or 30s, who was single, and often came home after dark because she works long hours, how would you feel about her coming home to one of these neighborhoods that realtors have deemed "up-and-coming", but in reality, will still be a bit sketchy for the next few years? Such areas might be considered perfectly fine for you, but as a single female, I have a different perspective because I cannot as easily defend myself if I'm harassed or jumped while walking the street.

****, even a man can't save himself from a Bronx beat down.

The thing is, sketchy is a polite term for the areas he is talking about.

Williamsburg and the LES are sketchy. Mott Haven and the rest of the South Bronx are high crime neighborhoods with no transformations in sight. More of the same. There are a lot of blocks in Mott Haven I would not walk through armed off duty in the day becuase there is a good chance I will end up having to shoot someone.

[Guywithacause]

Agreed Alysee....I understand your issue and concerns. Point taken. As much as I would like affordable housing to be in great areas, the reality is, until more people like you and me, and all those people Hustla would prefer ignore these communities, start to return to make things better, nothing will change. Affordable housing is going being built where it is needed, appropriate, and where there is space for it, which are these types of communities.

So maybe its better for everyone else to go through the problems, take the risks, do the hard work, and make things better..just so that you can come in and enjoy what everyone else has done? How about pitching in too....