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11-03-2011, 02:48 PM
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Location: You want kimchi with that?
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Also the percentage of specialized high school students that graduate from any given freshman class is 25% on average.
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wait what?
wasnt like that in my day. Like 90% of us graduated from stuy (of course I came in as soph, as did have my class - yay for SP program!)
Has it really changed that much? Do you have a, you know, source for the above?
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11-03-2011, 04:01 PM
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Location: Glendale, NY
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It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of Black/Hispanic students don't go to these schools even if they qualify, due to the fact that they would be a very small minority in them.
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11-03-2011, 05:49 PM
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Location: NYC
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It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of Black/Hispanic students don't go to these schools even if they qualify, due to the fact that they would be a very small minority in them.
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If things were reversed I'll bet non black/Hispanic students might be just as reluctant too, no matter how great the school is.
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11-03-2011, 05:56 PM
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yes they were. Back when Stuy was 40% of jewish (i dont think it ever had a jewish majority) in the mid 70s people complained it was elitist and racist, and wanted to shut it down.
Kinda funny that now that its mainly asian its still "racist"
It is unusual to use only a single test. But in NoVa TJ uses more balanced admissions policies - tests, middle school grades, recs, and essays - and guess what its STILL mostly asian.
If you want more URMs than adjust the scores for them, give them free test prep, whatever. But dont shut down the specialized schools. Gifted kids learn differently, are often socially ostracized elsewhere, and its right and proper to create an environment conducive for them to reach their best.
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Not only that, but Stuy, Brooklyn Tech, and Bronx HS of Science only admitted boys until the early/mid 70s. Did accepting girls bring down the standards? What is the distribution of gender at those schools today?
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11-03-2011, 06:03 PM
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Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Originally Posted by Coney
Not only that, but Stuy, Brooklyn Tech, and Bronx HS of Science only admitted boys until the early/mid 70s. Did accepting girls bring down the standards? What is the distribution of gender at those schools today?
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All 3 of them are disproportionately male.I think Stuyvesant is something like 60/40 M/F
Don't know about other specialized schools.
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11-03-2011, 07:03 PM
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Location: NYC
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Schools have data on gender/race/ethnicity on the NYCDOE website. Here is data from Brooklyn Tech.
Register - Brooklyn Technical High School - K430 - New York City Department of Education
The standards did not go down when girls were admitted in the 70s. The schools have expanded their curriculum greatly and they continue to produce scholars that go on to competitive colleges all over the U.S.
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11-03-2011, 10:35 PM
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Exactly. But I remember there was such an uproar when they started letting girls attend.
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11-03-2011, 10:41 PM
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Ok, something else to throw into the mix. Does anyone know anything about Hunter High School? I believe that only residents of NYC can attend and selection is based on their exam. Is it also predominantly Asian? Are there prep courses for their exam too? I do believe that "high school" students can only enter in 7th grade.
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11-03-2011, 11:41 PM
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Location: New York City
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Originally Posted by Coney
Ok, something else to throw into the mix. Does anyone know anything about Hunter High School? I believe that only residents of NYC can attend and selection is based on their exam. Is it also predominantly Asian? Are there prep courses for their exam too? I do believe that "high school" students can only enter in 7th grade.
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When I toured the school, it was quite diverse. Granted, I was in sixth grade (you are correct in saying that they only accept incoming 7th grade students) so I did not pay attention to it, and this was the early 2000s.
In order to qualify for their entrance exam, you had to achieve a certain score on the 5th grade state test.
I am sure there also are tutoring and prep courses that make good money off of this exam as well.
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11-04-2011, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Coney
Ok, something else to throw into the mix. Does anyone know anything about Hunter High School? I believe that only residents of NYC can attend and selection is based on their exam. Is it also predominantly Asian? Are there prep courses for their exam too? I do believe that "high school" students can only enter in 7th grade.
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There were some Admission drama from last year with Hunter High School.
Here is the article from NYTimes about the incident.
Diversity Debate Convulses Elite High School
Demographic of students for Hunter High School 2010.
47% Asian
41% White
8% Multiracial
3% Black
1% Hispanic
It's kind of a complicated problem with the disparity between
the groups, but the main reasons probably have more to do with
culture and environment of the students than anything else.
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