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Old 12-19-2011, 04:27 PM
 
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Thanks doomberg for reducing manning at the companies that you did, including this one. Most definitely a silly waste of resources it was.

Brooklyn Brownstone Fire Injures Five Firefighters - NY1.com



Firefighter covered in flames rescued from burning*Brooklyn brownstone, four others injured* - NY Daily News
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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This is sad, but it's the job of the Union rep to say it was because of "understaffing." Whether that is the reality or not, who knows, but it's his job to blame it on somebody..and cuts are an easy target.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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Well if you knew anything the way fire operations worked, you'd understand that having more manpower there significantly helps in actually getting water onto the fire quickly. Which is why they were staffed that way in the first place. And which could have saved these guys an indefinite amount of pain, time and possibly their careers.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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I understand the theory and argument, and it is his job to push that, even if it were true in this case or not. If he did not lie lame in staffing cuts, he would be out of a job, whether it was true or not.

Same thing happened with the Police over the ticket fixing scandal. Many members of the police were calling for the Union reps head because he "wasn't aggressive enough" in pushing the argument that making tickets disappear is perfectly acceptable (when it isn't). They have to do this to keep their jobs whether it's true or not, so let's keep that in mind.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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This literally has nothing to do with the ticket fixing scandal. That issue has nothing to do with life and death. You're grasping for anything that remotely goes against emergency services. They're both unions and that is the only similarity. The fact is that you have no idea how operations work and like to sit back and say "yeah well, unions are theives so they're just saying what they have to say, derpy derp..."
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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I have made no such statement. The Union reps job, regardless of what the truth is, is to paint those he represents as saints, and victims of the evil Emporer. It matters not who is in office..if you attempt to cut anything in his Union, whether it be staffing, pay, benefits, or any perks, you are villianized as ant-working/middle class, anti-safety, anti-NYers, or anything else that will connect with residents.

It may in fact be true, and staffing cuts are the result of this very sad burning. But nobody actually knows because there is always so much rhetoric and misinformation by Union reps that the truth only comes to light when it works in their favor. Which may be the case here..but who knows. That's the nature of being a Union rep..your only job is to represent your people, truth is secondary. If you are simply truthful, you will be quickly out of a job....just how it is.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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The union and more importantly the ff's themselves have been railing against the manning reduction for years. And for this exact reason. Not to look pretty with more guys on the truck, but for their own safety. As was and has been demonstrated in the past. Not every piece of information that any union rep for any agency states is propaganda in an equal way. No matter what everybody in your life has told you. Not everything is so concrete. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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we can thank our dumb Mayor for this. We need firefighters, not a million trees, and we need firefighters, not tourist helicopters.
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Old 12-23-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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Steve Cassidy on Good Day New York: Staffing Reduction Responsible for Burned Firefighters - YouTube





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UFA's Steve Cassidy on WPIX Taking the Heat for Defending Burned FDNY Firefighters - YouTube
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