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Unread 01-23-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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To clarify, I meant you'd probably still see more murders per square mile because the LES is denser than Camden, even though the crime rate is much lower than Camden's.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 04:25 AM
 
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On another forum I'm on, there's somebody who lives in Brownsville south of Livonia Avenue, and he says it's not as bad as everybody makes it out to be. Whether that's true or it's just his perception I don't know.

But in any case, my statement was simply referring to the density of Brownsville vs. the density of Camden. If you took a milder "hood" (maybe the LES or something), you'd probably see more murders per square mile because it's denser.



But the thing is that you're comparing the whole city of Washington DC to one section of NYC. The numbers for the city are skewed because you have a lot of good areas as well.

Yes, the South Bronx was worse than the city of DC overall, but that doesn't mean that it was worse than the worst section of DC. It probably wasn't unless the crime rate was evenly distributed throughout the city, which is highly unlikely.
I never said, that the South Bronx overall was worst than the worst section of DC. I said that South Bronx's worst section was mos def worser than worst area of DC.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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Violent crime in Mott Haven, Melrose at five-year high | The Bronx Ink


Last year my area had it pretty rough overall. 50% increase in murder. I still see white folks walking out 3a v 138 street station hauling home whole foods. Also west Bronx did not fair any better either.

http://bronxink.org/2011/12/13/20667...to-rise-again/

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Unread 01-24-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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Great article guyanese. This about sums it up, not just in Mott Haven but similar communities:

"Also, all the data charts shared earlier in this text show the 2008-09 recession to be the start of the upward trend in violent crime. During the same period, unemployment in this community doubled, going from about 9 percent to more than 18 percent. “These unemployed youth then turn to underground businesses,” said Figueroa. “Prostitution and drug/gun running provide something that is very tangible and immediate.” This reasoning does seem to hold ground. At least two-thirds of those involved in this year’s murders — both victims and perpetrators — were 25 or younger."

These are young people with nothing to do, poorly educated if at all, and turn to drugs to make a living..and guess how this story ends? They shootup other kids doing the same thing.

Which is why I state that if you keep your nose clean, and stay out of the drug scene and away from the homies hanging on the corner/housing projects, you can avoid 95% of the problems with basic street smarts and common sense. The minute you become chummy with the homeys or involved in the drug trade is the minute you feel the crime in the community.

Which is why guyanese still sees those "hipsters" on 138th carrying their Whole Foods bag like they don't realize the big increase in violent crime. Because at the end of the day, they are not involved with that scene and it doesn't effect them. There are 2 different realities in these communities...really depends which you want to live in.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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I never said, that the South Bronx overall was worst than the worst section of DC. I said that South Bronx's worst section was mos def worser than worst area of DC.
OK, that's possible, but I bet it might vary depending on who was at war at the time.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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The increase in crime will eventually affect negatively on the everyday life of all residents in the community. It happened before when crime spiked and those who had the chance literally fled the southern parts of the borough.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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Great article guyanese. This about sums it up, not just in Mott Haven but similar communities:

"Also, all the data charts shared earlier in this text show the 2008-09 recession to be the start of the upward trend in violent crime. During the same period, unemployment in this community doubled, going from about 9 percent to more than 18 percent. “These unemployed youth then turn to underground businesses,” said Figueroa. “Prostitution and drug/gun running provide something that is very tangible and immediate.” This reasoning does seem to hold ground. At least two-thirds of those involved in this year’s murders — both victims and perpetrators — were 25 or younger."

These are young people with nothing to do, poorly educated if at all, and turn to drugs to make a living..and guess how this story ends? They shootup other kids doing the same thing.

Which is why I state that if you keep your nose clean, and stay out of the drug scene and away from the homies hanging on the corner/housing projects, you can avoid 95% of the problems with basic street smarts and common sense. The minute you become chummy with the homeys or involved in the drug trade is the minute you feel the crime in the community.

Which is why guyanese still sees those "hipsters" on 138th carrying their Whole Foods bag like they don't realize the big increase in violent crime. Because at the end of the day, they are not involved with that scene and it doesn't effect them. There are 2 different realities in these communities...really depends which you want to live in.
Thanks sobro. I have to say that it was pretty bad this year but a far cry from years passed, Im not sure about this year. I do see alot of gang activity outside of Dominican owned barbershops and also alot of bloods sets among the black youth in and around all of the housing projects in the area. I do agree that the economic situation triggered a spike in crime in the area and yes half of Mott Haven does not have a high school diploma via dropping out and about 10% have an associates degree or higher from what I remember. I can say that many of the young people in Mott Haven are poorly educated but poorly trained by loved ones at home especially amongst Christ loving single mothers, many are also ignorant towards others and are self centered. Sad thing is most of the victims and perps are African Americans who comprise up as a minority in the area vs the majority Hispanic. Ni##as killing Ni##as in reality. Alot of young fools aswell as oldtimers want fast easy money and also try thier very best to cheat the system. As a longtime Mott haven resident I try my very best to avoid and stay clear away from hood elements, I would say sup and give a nod but I dont hang out or make small talk with these idiots. I just keep my nose clean, I went to school most of my youth until I completed college. Believe me I rather be in the classroom instead of being in a court room or in a prison cell, sadly most people dont share my vision where I live.
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The population in East St. Louis is around 29,000, a decrease from recent years, but violent crime and homicide rates are among the highest in the nation. In 2010 there were 31 homicides in East St. Louis and the surrounding area. Illinois State Police say in 2009 the crime rate was 12,658 violent crimes per 100,000 residents. In comparison, Chicago's crime rate the same year was 5,426 violent crimes per 100,000 residents.
Durbin says several federal law enforcement officials have indicated some low-income public housing complexes managed by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) are among the locations in the East St. Louis area that have seen high levels of criminal activity. The John DeShields and John Robinson housing developments have around 800 residents combined, but have had at least 22 homicides in the last 10 years.
•In 2006, East St. Louis tied with Opa Locka, Florida for the highest per capita murder rate in the United States at about 102 per 100,000, which means that a person is 20 times more likely to get murdered.
•With an estimated population at that time of 30,000 people, we see that there were about 31 murders that year;
•Put another way, 97% of the United States was safer than East St. Louis, Illinois according to NeighborhoodScout.com.
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Heres a list of high crime cities in no particular order there just cities suffering with lots of crime where would these cities rank SAGINAW MICHIGAN
CHESTER PENNSYLVANIA
LAS VEGAS NEVADA
SALISBURY MARYLAND
WEST MEMPHIS ARKANSAS
CAMDEN NEW JERSEY
ST LOUIS MISSOURI
SPARTANBURG SOUTH CAROLINA
WILMINGTON DELAWARE
OAKLAND CALIFORNIA
PONTIAC MICHIGAN
BESSEMER ALABAMA
MEMPHIS TENNESSEE
DETROIT MICHIGAN
PETERSBURG VIRGINIA
FORT PIERCE FLORIDA
FLINT MICHIGAN
BOSSIER CITY LOUISIANA
CHELSEA MASSACHUSSETTS
RIVIERA BEACH FLORIDA
MYRTLE BEACH SOUTH CAROLINA
NEWBURGH NEW YORK
LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY
FLORENCE SOUTH CAROLINA
HARVEY ILLINOIS
ORLANDO FLORIDA
ATLANTIC CITY NEW JERSEY
HARRISBURG PENNSYLVANIA
BALTIMORE MARYLAND
DAYTONA BEACH FLORIDA
STOCKTON CALIFORNIA
INKSTER MICHIGAN
PINE BLUFF ARIZONA
ALEXANDRIA LOUISIANA
LAKE WORTH FLORIDA
SUMTER SOUTH CAROLINA
LAFAYETTE LOUISIANA
NORTH CHARLESTON SOUTH CAROLINA
WASHINGTON D.C.
HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
ROCKFORD ILLINOIS
SPRINGFIELD ILLINOIS
ATLANTA GEORGIA
ST PETERSBURG FLORIDA
PHILADELPHIA PENNSYLVANIA
NORTH LITTLE ROCK ARKANSAS
BATTLE CREEK MICHIGAN
BIRMINGHAM ALABAMA
FARMINGTON NEW MEXICO
MIAMI FLORIDA
POUGHKEEPSIE NEW YORK
KANSAS CITY MISSOURI
HOT SPRINGS ARIZONA
CLEVELAND OHIO
NEW BEDFORD MASSACHUSSETTS
BUFFALO NEW YORK
NORRISTOWN PENNSYLVANIA
CINCINNATI OHIO
LITTLE ROCK ARKANSAS
TULSA OKLAHOMA
MINNEAPOLIS MINNESOTA
MELBOURNE FLORIDA
FORT MYERS FLORIDA
LIMA OHIO
SPRINGFIELD MASSACHUSETTS
MILWAUKEE WISCONSIN
BROCKTON MASSACHUSETTS
ANCHORAGE ALASKA
COLUMBIA TENNESSEE
BATON ROUGE LOUISIANA
HALLANDALE FLORIDA
NORTH MIAMI FLORIDA
ALBANY GEORGIA
POMPANO BEACH FLORIDA
FALL RIVER MASSACHUSETTS
CHICAGO ILLINOIS
PANAMA CITY FLORIDA
TRENTON NEW JERSEY
PRICHARD ALABAMA
CLEVELAND TENNESSEE
TALLAHASSEE FLORIDA
TOLEDO OHIO
HOLYOKE MASSACHUSETTS
MIAMI BEACH FLORIDA
ALBANY NEW YORK
JACKSON TENNESSEE
SAN BERNARDINO CALIFORNIA
LOWELL MASSACHUSETTS
CHARLESTON WEST VIRGINIA
HOUSTON TEXAS
SARASOTA FLORIDA
ROCK HILL SOUTH CAROLINA
EAST PALO ALTO CALIFORNIA
CHATTANOOGA TENNESSE
OCALA FLORIDA
KNOXVILLE TENNESSE
LAWTON OKLAHOMA
RICHMOND CALIFORNIA
READING PA

COMPTON CALIFORNIA
YOUNGSTOWN OHIO
RICHMOND VIRGINIA
NEWARK NEW JERSEY
ORLANDO FLORIDA
DALLAS
NASHVILLE
CHARLOTTE
COLUMBUS OHIO
WEST PALM BEACH FLORIDA
MACON GEORGIA
MIAMI BEACH
ALBANY NEW YORK

DETROIT LIVONIA DEARBORN MI MD
MEMPHIS TN MS AR
PINE BLUFF ARKANSAS
LAS VEGAS-PARADISE NV
FLORENCE SOUTH CAROLINA
JACKSON TENNESSEE
SHREVPORT-BOSSIER CITY LA
MIAMI DADE COUNTY
CHARLOTTE GASTONIA NC SC
HOT SPRINGS AR
SAGNIAW MI
ALBUQUERQUE NM
YAKIMA
TUCSON AZ
OAKLAND FREMONT CA MD
PHOENIX MESA SCOTTSDALE AZ
MODESTO CA
SUMTER SC
ALEXANDRIA LA

opa locka, liberty city, overtown, and parts of coconut grove and downtown.
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25 Elizabeth, N.J.



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Elizabeth had 1,100 violent crimes per 100,000 people. There were 601 robberies per 100,000 people, which is almost three times the national average.

Note: Violent crime includes murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

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#24 Lansing, Mich.



Lansing IT

Lansing had 1,101 violent crimes per 100,000 people. There were 86 forcible rapes per 100,000 people, more than double the national average.

Note: Violent crime includes murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

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#23 Miami, Fla.



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Miami had 1,108 violent crimes per 100,000 people. There were 421 robberies per 100,000 people, about double the national average.

Note: Violent crime includes murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

Read more: The Most Dangerous Cities In America well-known that gun violence is an issue for many inner cities across the U.S. But Chicago, in particular, has the most alarming rates, almost double that of New York City.


Since 2008, 80 percent of the 530 young people under the age of 21 felled by gun violence lived in the city's South, Southwest and West sides, which are heavily populated with African-Americans and Latinos. Ironically, only one-third of the city's population lives in these areas. Englewood, an area in the city's South Side, stood out the most. Their murder rate is five times that of the rest of the city.


The Chicago Reporter, which is publishing a three-part series about how this crisis is contributing to the loss of a generation, writes:


Much attention has been paid to the crisis. Community groups have held countless marches, candlelight vigils and events featuring empty desks signifying slain students.


After Christian Fenger Academy High School student Derrion Albert was beaten to death in September 2009, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan visited Chicago and pledged to address youth violence, with Duncan calling Albert’s death “a line in the sand.” They announced a $500,000 grant to restore a peaceful environment at Fenger. Yet the drumbeat of violence continued, with 218 student shootings and 27 student deaths reported during the ensuing school year, according to media reports quoting then-[Chicago Public Schools] CEO Ron Huberman.


And while the framing of violence suffered by Chicago public school students has focused much of the attention — and resources — on that population. The most dangerous time for young people in Chicago may be the first few years after high school. Since 2008, a total of 247 young people between the ages of 18 and 20 have been murdered in Chicago, nearly as many as the 286 under the age of 18 who’ve been killed during that span ….

Gun violence and homicides not only impact the health and lives of the victims, but also the physiological health of these victims' loved ones and other community members.


Each death or serious injury also causes wide-ranging ripple effects on friends and family members who are left with the psychological burden of witnessing violence. Studies strongly suggest that when young people live in neighborhoods plagued by violence, even when they don’t directly suffer violence, they are considerably more likely to suffer from post‐traumatic stress, depression and anxiety, and are more prone to behavioral problems and academic underachievement.


In other homicide-related news, an annual report found that the state of Missouri leads the nation with the highest Black homicide rates for the second year in a row. The study, which omitted data from the state of Florida and only included data from a few cities in Illinois, found that Missouri's rate of 34.72 homicides per 100,000 Black residents nearly doubles the overall national rate of 17.90. For whites, a paltry 2.92 homicide rate exists nationwide.


Other cities topping the list were Michigan, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Indiana, Tennessee, Wisconsin, California and Nevada.


To read personal stories of how gun violence impacts Black youth in Chicago, read NPR's special series, "Youths And Gun Violence: Chicago's Challenge."
“Pour out your heart like water
For the lives of your children
Let justice roll down like waters
Righteousness like an everflowing stream.”
So sang a soaring chorus of voices—young and old—inside Hyde Park Union Church on Nov. 6. The songs were interrupted by a somber litany of names: Chicago youth killed since the school year started in 2008. The event was called “Urban Dolorosa,” a commemoration held at five different churches around Chicago in November casting the Biblical mourning of Mary for her son in the context of contemporary youth violence.
The scene is a painful and all-too-familiar reminder of the youth violence epidemic that has gripped Chicago, the home of more youth homicides than any other American city. Chicago has a homicide rate more than double those of New York City and Los Angeles.
[View photos from the Too Young to Die project]
In Chicago, more than 530 people under the age of 21 have been killed since 2008 and many more have been shot or have otherwise suffered violence—often at the hands of their peers and particularly in the city’s African-American and Latino communities. Nearly 80 percent of youth homicides occurred in 22 black or Latino communities on the city’s South, Southwest and West sides—even though just one-third of the city’s population resided in those communities. The rate of youth homicide in West Englewood on the city’s South Side, for instance, was nearly five times higher than the citywide mark.
In contrast, there have been 22 other Chicago communities with no more than 1 youth killing since 2008. Many were located on the city’s North Side, but others like Beverly, Garfield Ridge, Hyde Park and Mount Greenwood did not lose any youth to violence but are next to or just a few minutes drive from others with some of the highest youth homicide rates in the city like Woodlawn, Roseland and Morgan Park.
Much attention has been paid to the crisis. Community groups have held countless marches, candlelight vigils and events featuring empty desks signifying slain students.
After Christian Fenger Academy High School student Derrion Albert was beaten to death in September 2009, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan visited Chicago and pledged to address youth violence, with Duncan calling Albert’s death “a line in the sand.” They announced a $500,000 grant to restore a peaceful environment at Fenger. Yet the drumbeat of violence continued, with 218 student shootings and 27 student deaths reported during the ensuing school year, according to media reports quoting then-CPS CEO Ron Huberman.
And while the framing of violence suffered by Chicago public school students has focused much of the attention—and resources—on that population. The most dangerous time for young people in Chicago may be the first few years after high school. Since 2008, a total of 247 young people between the ages of 18 and 20 have been murdered in Chicago, nearly as many as the 286 under the age of 18 who’ve been killed during that span.
Each death or serious injury also causes wide-ranging ripple effects on friends and family members who are left with the psychological burden of witnessing violence. Studies strongly suggest that when young people live in neighborhoods plagued by violence, even when they don’t directly suffer violence, they are considerably more likely to suffer from post‐traumatic stress, depression and anxiety, and are more prone to behavioral problems and academic underachievement.
The numbers of youth deaths and shootings have not been significantly reduced despite efforts by Chicago politicians and police, including the Community Alternative Policing Strategy (CAPS), the concentration of officers in neighborhoods with high gang activity, the “Culture of Calm” program instituted in “high-risk” public schools, and the efforts of well-known non-profit organizations like the peer intervention group CeaseFire. Community members, youth advocates and youth themselves consistently say that it is nearly impossible to curb youth violence without addressing the underlying social conditions: extreme racial and economic segregation, a lack of job opportunities, limited access to higher education, violence-plagued and under-funded public schools, broken families and a general feeling of hopelessness and marginalization among many Chicago residents.
“What is the mindset of the person when the future holds no hope?” asked Wiley Rogers, 70, a long-time community activist in Woodlawn and a former social worker for the Chicago Department of Public Health. “Historically, every generation has had the promise and hope of the future out there. These kids don’t have that. What matters is today. It leads to this horrible fatalism, where life ain’t worth living anymore.”
Despite the daunting nature of the problem, many Chicagoans are fighting in their own personal ways against the epidemic of violence and despair. Here we profile several groups and individuals whose efforts are not reflected in crime statistics or economic indicators, but who nevertheless have an undeniable impact on their communities.
The nascent group Spitfire uses music to offer a positive but unvarnished outlet for young rappers coming from neighborhoods where violence “is always easy to find, and if you don’t pay attention it will find you,” in the words of 22-year-old Bronzeville resident Eric Brown aka musician Young DBoy Low. Simply telling stories—set to beats—of real life in the ‘hood and the struggle to remain humane and sane in the face of violence is itself an act of resistance and revival in the eyes of Spitfire founder Henry Mann and the young artists who have signed on with the group.
The sister grassroots activist organizations Southside Together Organizing for Power (STOP) and Fearless Leading by Youth (FLY) use direct action to address the social and economic inequities that underlie youth violence. They fight for the rights to decent housing and health care, among other things, demanding a trauma center for the South Side and opposing the planned closing of public mental health clinics in poor neighborhoods. The groups were born around housing issues in the Woodlawn and Englewood neighborhoods, and accelerated with the death of Damian Turner, an 18-year-old founding member who was shot just blocks from the University of Chicago Medical Center and died after being transported downtown to Northwestern Memorial Hospital.
Seventeen-year-old Ondelee Perteet never intended his life to be defined by violence; as a young teen he avoided gangs and guns. But that all changed in 2009 when he was shot in the chin at a party and paralyzed from the neck down. Since then he and his mother have lived a brave, stark personal struggle to survive and succeed despite the tragedy—simultaneously becoming a symbol of hope and a living testament to the horror of gun violence.
When asked what could be done to reduce the carnage, these community members echo academic and law-enforcement experts in saying there are no easy answers. One thing they stress is that people must not give up: society must not give up on the youth in these neighborhoods and, even more importantly, the youth must not give up on themselves.
“People believe the negative stereotypes that urban youth are all gangbangers and school dropouts,” said Kandice Denard, 21, the sister of FLY co-founder Turner. “But that’s not true. We just need to exercise our power and our voices. We need to show people that youth can really be something.”
This is the first in a series on youth violence. Check back next Wednesday for the second installment. Funding for this project was provided by The Chicago Community Trust via the Community Media Workshop, the Richard H. Driehaus Foundation, and the Mansfield Institute for Social Justice and Transformation.
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Unread 02-07-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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Only 97%? Where is this 3% of America that's as dangerous or more than East St. Louis?
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