Has 9/11 Changed Your Feelings about Living in NYC? (New York, Greece: school, tornado)

[baylovers]

Originally Posted by clubBR

**** happens in New York all day everyday. Life goes on. But one thing I noticed is more gentrification happening after 9/11

"Sh1t Happens"?.... 3,000 people don't get murdered everyday in NYC, or anywhere else. It would take more than 5 years for that many people to get murdered in NYC. Where you 11 when 9/11 occurred? That is one of the most shallow responses I've seen on this forum. It is obvious you weren't there and that you did not have anyone seriously effected by the days tragic events.

Yes, you must move on but "sh1t" like that doesn't just happen. And you don't just get over it. My former work partner died that day, so did my uncle and about 60 other people that I have been fortunate to know over my life. Most of them died because they were running INTO THE BUILDINGS that were raging with fire and people were jumping out of to escape being burned alive.

I am very afraid that attitudes like yours that will allow tragedies like this happen again. But I am most saddened that you can dismiss the losses and heroics of so many people that day and the months afterwards.

If your mom or someone close to you dies, would like to hear, "Hey, it happens... move on & get over it?"
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Arel. I love Ft Tilden. One of my favorite beaches and very relaxing. I used to wander around and check out the old WW2 bunkers and gun turrets burried in the sand dunes. Gateway has some nice programs they host from time to time, like surf fishing or photography classes. Do they still have the stables near the firehouse?

[arel]

Originally Posted by straightshooter

i don't let it affect me too much. i (and almost everyone i knew) knew someone who died. but, like the other poster wrote, life goes on. gotta rebuild but learn the lesson. i won't expound on the lesson i learned from it (i've already got too many infractions from the thought police here), but i do think it's important to take something away from the experience. also, i don't know why you're feeling awkward about not wanting to leave brooklyn. you're a neighborhood guy/girl. i understand; i'm a neighborhood guy. i'd feel weird about leaving, too. it's too bad more people don't pause before they up and run...maybe we wouldn't have the problems that we're having now if they did.

I didn't know anyone who died on 9/11, but sometimes I think of what victims went through. It still haunts me. I still remember the photos on the bus shelters and the candles in Union Square Park. It was all so surreal. When they put up those pictures of the missing after the 2004 tsunami, it reminded me of of those pictures in New York.

Well, as you said, I'm a neighborhood girl. (Yes, I am female.) But all the kids I grew up with have left. The ones I know about now live in other states. The neighborhood only offers familiarity. I want to leave, for practical and psychological reasons. I would rather not live in a terrorist's target zone, but that is not my primary reason for wanting to leave. I want clean air, clean water, natural beauty, less congestion and a smaller, more intimate community.

I want to move to Vermont. But, apart from economic issues - the Vermont economy is not great - there's the matter of that ocean. Of course, living near the ocean is not always such a nice thing. I would have to evacuate if there were a catergory 3 hurricane. I would rather be further away from the ocean. But not so much further away that I would have to drive over 2 hours to get there. Well, it's not as if I would be living in Colorado, about 2 days away.

Funny, I hardly ever go to the ocean. But now that I'm thinking of moving away, the ocean becomes an issue. Go figure.

[BXGEAR]

Originally Posted by baylovers

"Sh1t Happens"?.... 3,000 people don't get murdered everyday in NYC, or anywhere else. It would take more than 5 years for that many people to get murdered in NYC. Where you 11 when 9/11 occurred? That is one of the most shallow responses I've seen on this forum. It is obvious you weren't there and that you did not have anyone seriously effected by the days tragic events.

Yes, you must move on but "sh1t" like that doesn't just happen. And you don't just get over it. My former work partner died that day, so did my uncle and about 60 other people that I have been fortunate to know over my life. Most of them died because they were running INTO THE BUILDINGS that were raging with fire and people were jumping out of to escape being burned alive.

I am very afraid that attitudes like yours that will allow tragedies like this happen again. But I am most saddened that you can dismiss the losses and heroics of so many people that day and the months afterwards.

If your mom or someone close to you dies, would like to hear, "Hey, it happens... move on & get over it?"

Oh no.

Nobody listen to this guy. Slanderous post.

To Baylovers:
Do the words death, grim and dark scare you? I think you're more of a soccer practice, safe, enclosed places kind of person

[arel]

Originally Posted by baylovers

Arel. I love Ft Tilden. One of my favorite beaches and very relaxing. I used to wander around and check out the old WW2 bunkers and gun turrets burried in the sand dunes. Gateway has some nice programs they host from time to time, like surf fishing or photography classes. Do they still have the stables near the firehouse?

My father was a military reservist. When I was small, he would take the family to the beach there. I went back once last year, and then yesterday. I visited another time, but without going to the beach. It is a beautiful beach. No buildings behind the beach, just scrub. It is amazing to think that you are actually in New York City.

I have visited Manhattan, Brighton and Coney Island beaches in Brooklyn, but none of them can compare to Fort Tilden.
At Fort Tilden, you have the open ocean with raw surf. Yesterday, the surf was small, but last time I went it was much rougher.

I don't know anything about military stuff under the sand. I just look for interesting shells and rocks. Yesterday I found some nice oyster shells and a nice scallop shell.

Gateway has a lot of programs. I need to read up on them. The NYC Parks Department has a big schedule of programs, too, involving history, canoing, photography, arts and crafts and even camping.

There is a pleasant nature walk by the Salt Marsh Nature Center in Marine Park. It is full of phragmites, an invasive species, but it is still a nice walk, away from buildings and asphalt. Gateway has a nature walk on Broad Channel. I went there one day, several years ago. I didn't do the walk because I wasn't dressed appropriately for it, but I bought a book about the small islands of NYC. I still refer to it.

One day I explored the populated part of Broad Channel. I went to the shore on Jamaica bay. In the distance I could see the downtown skyline, dominated by the twin towers. There was a house at the edge of the land, with a water line from high tide. There was a woman in the doorway. She seemed suspicious of me, but eventually she engaged a little. She told me that when the moon is full, the bay comes in all over the sidewalk by her house. The only time she got water in her house was during that big storm in 1991. I would not want to live in that house. You couldn't pay me enough to live on top of the water like that.

Of course, the skyline has changed since then. It still hurts me to look at it and see the towers missing.

I don't know anything about the stables. As I wrote above, I've only been to Fort Tilden once this year (yesterday), once last year, and once another time without going to the beach. I want to explore it more, but I have to find a way to avoid parking tickets. I have to find out how to get a permit.

BTW, I agree with your outrage in the first part of your post.

[baylovers]

ClubBR, I'm not getting into a tit-for-tat with you. Nothing slanderous about that post, since the only thing directly referring to you was

Where you 11 when 9/11 occurred?

and

attitudes like yours that will allow tragedies like this happen again

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Death does not scare me, I've lived a full life but I wouldn't mind being around for my daughter's wedding one day. You don't know anything about me, so keep your soccer mom/enclosed place nonsense for someone else. If all you have to say about 9/11 is that it was good for gentrification, then I will let eveyone else make their own conclusion about you.
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Arel, check out the US Parks Police office at Floyd Bennet Field regarding the parking permits.

[BXGEAR]

Originally Posted by baylovers

You don't know anything about me

And that's all you have

Originally Posted by baylovers

ClubBR, I'm not getting into a tit-for-tat with you. If all you have to say about 9/11 is that it was good for gentrification, then I will let eveyone else make their own conclusion about you.

Lol, do you think we're in high school?

[arel]

Baylovers, thanks for the tip about geting the parking permit. I will check into it. Assuming I'm still in Brooklyn next summer, I think I'll need one.

What I don't understand is: If Gateway is federal property, how come I got a NYC parking ticket? Well, I wonder if the federal government ever gives parking tickets. Pay up or go to Leavenworth! I didn't notice whether the cop was federal or local. Her uniform may have been a little different from that of a local cop, but my memory may be incorrect. My focus at the time was the ticket! I was pissed! I really make efforts to avoid parking tickets - they are such a waste of money! And it's not as if I were ignoring the regulations deliberately.

Well, I shouldn't complain about something so relatively trivial ticket on a thread about 9/11. The victims and their families lost a lot more than $60 on that day.

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Just googled Fort Tilden. Researched briefly. The article I saw described Fort Tilden as a State Park. It also said to get parking permits from the Vistors' Center there. It aso mentioned that there are no lifeguards and that there are strong currents. I noticed that there were lots of children swimming. I just watched and walked. I wasn't wearing a bathing suit, but I suppose I could have gone in in my shorts and shirt if I had wanted to. But I'm not a good swimmer, so I won't swim without a lifeguard on duty.

[Keeper]

Please get back on topic.. Thanks

[NYCBoy1212]

no I lived in manhattan all my life and im 13 I was in second grade when it happen and i luv my city

[amy_cate]

9/11 didn't change my feelings about nyc. then again, i just moved to chicago. it was other factors that influenced my decision to move - cost of living being the main factor.

as aggravated and ready to move as i was, it has been very very strange to not be in nyc today. my husband says this is a good thing, like maybe it had gotten too much, maybe we need a break. but it's hard and i do miss ny in some ways, esp the way communities pulled together after 9/11. i remember being on the train and people would break down and cry as we went over the manhattan bridge from bklyn. and i remember the acts of kindness i witnessed those weeks post 9/11. so i do miss ny today and even if i never live there again, on this day i'll always hold ny close to my heart.

it's a great city - i just don't make enough money to justify living there anymore. i just got married, i want to go back to school, have kids. i think that 9/11 showed how strong new yorkers are and how compassionate. the fear will always be there for me, but lots of s**t happens every day as someone else posted - this being obviously the most extreme horrifying nightmare i can imagine - new york will always get through it, rise above it, come out stronger.