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Old 02-01-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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Traffic Jam Economics

Nancy Folbre: Traffic Jam Economics - NYTimes.com

Congestion pricing. Let's have it already.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:07 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Not intill the Gateway Project , East Side Access and Second Avenue subway are completed which would off set the massive switch to Mass Transit in NYC and the region.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:46 AM
 
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If only congestion pricing could assist in accelerating those projects and bring others to reality.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:12 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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If only congestion pricing could assist in accelerating those projects and bring others to reality.
Not to the Jersey Side or the Gateway Project which would be needed to handle the increase in Transit users. The Gateway Project would although for expansion of the regional rail network in NJ.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Why is it that every discussion of Congestion Pricing ignores the largest offender, the TAXICAB, of which Manhattan has FAR too many?
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Why is it that every discussion of Congestion Pricing ignores the largest offender, the TAXICAB, of which Manhattan has FAR too many?
Once upon a time, there was a proposal to ban ALL vehicles except commercial ones below 59 Street. I bet that if it was reintroduced, it would get people screaming and yelling much more than they do for congestion pricing.

Of course, since very few people actually need a car to get around New York City, the whole issue comes off sounding rather silly. But you and I both know what kinds of comments will be forthcoming the moment someone says, "Take a bus or subway."
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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I am all for congestion pricing...but those of us who ride the trains know that the demand has already increased, and service has been cut = packed trains alot. Implementation of congestion pricing must go hand in hand with an increase in train, bus, water-taxi services, otherwise the system will be overrun and will not function.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Queens, NY
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I am all for congestion pricing...but those of us who ride the trains know that the demand has already increased, and service has been cut = packed trains alot. Implementation of congestion pricing must go hand in hand with an increase in train, bus, water-taxi services, otherwise the system will be overrun and will not function.
Agreed. It is too narrow-minded to just focus on the singular problem of traffic congestion without also looking at how it sets off a chain effect on the transportation system in the city. Think about it people...if drivers stop driving, they still have to get around somehow. If they take mass transit, then subways in Manhattan would be overcapacity during rush hour.

Increase the mass transit capacity by adding more trains/buses you say? Well, then we're right back at where we started: except this time instead of having too many cars on the road, we'll have too many trains/buses lying around. There's only so many trains/buses you can have on a route before the system slows, although granted the MTA is nowhere near that capacity right now.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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Well here are the choices:

-No congestion pricing, increasing ridership.
-Congestion pricing, increasing ridership, funds for transit expansion/maintenance.

Reguardless, ridership will be increasing. The question is, how fast? I say enact it. Encourage bike share, and finish the damn Second Ave Subway.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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From Fred: Once upon a time, there was a proposal to ban ALL vehicles except commercial ones below 59 Street
But weren't taxicabs exempted from THAT proposal as well? My memory is hazy on the particulars.

(Now it the reversed the 59 and made it 95th St. and included cabs in the ban it would be all that much better.)

It might do Mrs. Gotabuck good to ride the subway...it might get us clean subways too.


Alas, the City cannot even enforce a no driving law in the CENTRAL PARK SPEEDWAY.
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