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Old 02-07-2012, 08:57 PM
 
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No, thankfully. Manhattan voted 90% for the president in 2008.

And no, 5th Avenue, Wall Street is not "conservative" (using today's definitions of course). New York is ground zero of the term "limousine liberal". Or simply moderate, again, using today's definition of conservative. In todays America, being fisically conservative but socially liberal (classic Rockefeller Republican) makes you a "liberal" or a "RHINO" in today's age of conservatism.

New York version of conservative is generally dry different from southern backwards type conservatism.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:18 PM
 
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No, thankfully. Manhattan voted 90% for the president in 2008.

And no, 5th Avenue, Wall Street is not "conservative" (using today's definitions of course). New York is ground zero of the term "limousine liberal". Or simply moderate, again, using today's definition of conservative. In todays America, being fisically conservative but socially liberal (classic Rockefeller Republican) makes you a "liberal" or a "RHINO" in today's age of conservatism.

New York version of conservative is generally dry different from southern backwards type conservatism.
could've fooled me these days
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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I doubt many of the Wall Street moneymakers are eager to "spread the wealth around" as you and your socialist friends think they should.

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No, thankfully. Manhattan voted 90% for the president in 2008.

And no, 5th Avenue, Wall Street is not "conservative" (using today's definitions of course). New York is ground zero of the term "limousine liberal". Or simply moderate, again, using today's definition of conservative. In todays America, being fisically conservative but socially liberal (classic Rockefeller Republican) makes you a "liberal" or a "RHINO" in today's age of conservatism.

New York version of conservative is generally dry different from southern backwards type conservatism.

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Old 02-08-2012, 06:34 AM
 
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I doubt many of the Wall Street moneymakers are either to "spread the wealth around" as you and your socialist friends think they should.
Not all Democrats or even Liberals are "socialists". I sort of get confused by this "spread the wealth around, liberals want to take your money" train of thought amongst the mentally retarded Republican base.... when it was a REPUBLICAN administration that started 2 wars of convenience and also came up with the plan to use PUBLIC money to bail out the PRIVATE sector. People like you make no sense. You want to talk about spreading the wealth? Explain to me why Republicans came up with the Bailout? Because that is spreading the wealth, friend. Conservatives and Republicans LOVE spreading the wealth, as long as it's only spread out amongst rich people.

The wall street "moneymakers" you are talking about in your post? Yeah them, the ones who got billions of dollars from the taxpayer to make up for their incompetence? Those are the TRUE WELFARE abusers in this country. Of course, to hear "conservatives" like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum talk, only black women are on welfare.

God...how can Republicans OR conservatives look themselves in the mirror everyday. "You used welfare to buy a yacht!!! Good job son!!!! Wait, you used Welfare to buy a loaf of bread??!!! YOU SUCKING AT THE GOVERNMENT TEAT NEGRO!!!"
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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I sort of get confused by this "spread the wealth around, liberals want to take your money" train of thought amongst the mentally retarded Republican base.... when it was a REPUBLICAN administration that started 2 wars of convenience and also came up with the plan to use PUBLIC money to bail out the PRIVATE sector... Explain to me why Republicans came up with the Bailout?
You must not have been very old in 2001-3 (or your memory is poor). The wars were supported and instigated by both sides of the isle. Pretending Iraq/Afghanistan were only Republican ventures is foolish and hypocritical.

The bailouts as they were used were started by Republicans, yes. But it was the liberals who decried them as "too little." The Republican base now has owned up to it being a mistake while Obama fans are saying it wasn't enough and we need more spending. What was your point, again?

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The wall street "moneymakers" you are talking about in your post? Yeah them, the ones who got billions of dollars from the taxpayer to make up for their incompetence? Those are the TRUE WELFARE abusers in this country. Of course, to hear "conservatives" like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum talk, only black women are on welfare. God...how can Republicans OR conservatives look themselves in the mirror everyday. "You used welfare to buy a yacht!!! Good job son!!!! Wait, you used Welfare to buy a loaf of bread??!!! YOU SUCKING AT THE GOVERNMENT TEAT NEGRO!!!"
If you are stating that the bailouts were immoral and against the basic idea of fair capitalism, I would agree. However, if you are claiming that the rich receive more welfare than the poor, I think you have a very misguided idea of the numbers, here. Note that the middle class is the least fairly-treated group.

-------------------------Percent of----------Percent of
Income-----------------all households----all benefits
---------------------------------------------------
Under $10,000-----------16.4%------------17.8%
$10,000 - $20,000-------18.8--------------21.7
$20,000 - $30,000--------17.0-------------17.2
$30,000 - $50,000--------23.6-------------21.8
$50,000 - $100,000------19.1--------------15.9
Over $100,000-------------5.1--------------5.6
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Old 02-08-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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You must not have been very old in 2001-3 (or your memory is poor). The wars were supported and instigated by both sides of the isle. Pretending Iraq/Afghanistan were only Republican ventures is foolish and hypocritical.
Actually, I have a pretty good memory of the time, and while more democrats dissented than republicans, I wasn't talking about Congress, as it wasn't Congress that Declared war. It was the patron saint of the conservative movement of that decade, George W Bush. The president declares war, not Congress. Iraq and Afghanistan was HIS idea, him and Cheney. George W Bush was also the architect of the bail outs, and no, he most certainly has not admitted it was a mistake to have done that.

May I ask where you got your welfare numbers from? There is no link, for all I know you typed that out.

Regardless, I am not talking about food stamps when I am talking about Welfare. I am talking about getting money from the government in general. In this case, millionaires on Wall Street got billions of dollars in bonuses at the tax payer expense, and conservatives in the White house and in congress said that was all well and good, and they still say it is good. These are job creators after all!!

And then some poor people get food stamps to buy BREAD so they don't starve to death, and conservatives in the white house and in the congress and right here on City-Data say "Why do black people have to live off the government, god, get a job, be self sufficient". Even though most welfare users are ....ba dum dum...WHITE.

Racist, hypocritical and dumb, that's the conservative movement in a nut shell. As a conservative you must be SOOO proud of the presedential candiates you have to choose from. I almost feel sorry for you. Whom do you like best, Gingrich or Santorum? Whoo, it makes me laugh to think of the brain trust the conservatives have put up this year. Rick Santorum, the face of American Conservatism....gosh, it just makes you want to vote republican.

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Old 02-08-2012, 05:27 PM
 
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Not all Democrats or even Liberals are "socialists". I sort of get confused by this "spread the wealth around, liberals want to take your money" train of thought amongst the mentally retarded Republican base.... when it was a REPUBLICAN administration that started 2 wars of convenience and also came up with the plan to use PUBLIC money to bail out the PRIVATE sector. People like you make no sense. You want to talk about spreading the wealth? Explain to me why Republicans came up with the Bailout? Because that is spreading the wealth, friend. Conservatives and Republicans LOVE spreading the wealth, as long as it's only spread out amongst rich people.

The wall street "moneymakers" you are talking about in your post? Yeah them, the ones who got billions of dollars from the taxpayer to make up for their incompetence? Those are the TRUE WELFARE abusers in this country. Of course, to hear "conservatives" like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum talk, only black women are on welfare.

God...how can Republicans OR conservatives look themselves in the mirror everyday. "You used welfare to buy a yacht!!! Good job son!!!! Wait, you used Welfare to buy a loaf of bread??!!! YOU SUCKING AT THE GOVERNMENT TEAT NEGRO!!!"
Maybe because conservatives, by their nature, believe and adhere to basic values like reading, writing and arithemtic, and learn to apply these skills.

Take yourself for example, if you had such a nature you would be versed in the fact that the entire mortgage crisis was parcipitated by democrat liberal progressive policies seeking to increase homeownership rates by SIGNIFICANTLY increasing access to CREDIT, allowing those previously shut out of the mortgage market because of less than ideal qualifications.

These actions were so successful, that these same democratic liberal progressive politicians insituted further policies which further increased the number and degree of those previously denied credt---access to credit.

This outlook of increasing the level of traditional homeownership was begun under the Clinton adminstration. The basic thought and intention was that the average 'wealth' of blacks and other minorities lagged behind that of whites. Despite much effort little appeared to have closed the gap to that point, despite some progress in shrinking the education and income gap.

Causes were looked at which could explain the continuing wealth gap. It was discovered and said that a significant part of white wealth was held in homeownership, and that homes were the basis of white wealth. Whites used their homes to finance their children's education, retirement, and businesses, among other things.

The conclusion was that Blacks and other minorities w/o similar homeownership rates would forever trail whites in wealth accumulaton.

In order to correct this disparity, and in the defined manner of Progressivism, the Democractic Party created government policies and financial incentives which compelled and incented financial institutions to open credit to those previously not given access, and previously institutionally denied access.

These policies were enacted in a spirit of BI-partisian cooperation and compromise that would give President Obama a wet dream. Which is why they were allowed to continue under the Bush administration. The Republicans gave the Democrats precisely what they are clamoring for today. Look what compromise and consensus got us?!

So, the reality is that the present financial crisis was augurred by the PROGRESSIVE wing of the Democratic Party. The leaders of this effort, Congressman Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd, were the sponsors of virtually if not literally ALL the consequent legislation.

The greedy backwards republican bankers did precisely what the were compelled and asked to do, manage to provide mortgages to those who normally would not qualify.

THIS is the financial crisis which has blown up in the Democrat Progressive faces. Yet, masters of propaganda, as are all socialist and communists, they have lied to YOU!

Educate yourself and learn the truth.

Have you read a single book on the issue?

You'll need to read more than one.

Though given that one third to a half of democrats are graduates of the education system they created, self education might be asking too much.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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I love how the left can't back up their ideas with facts about how they help improve America and use the race card. Barack Obama said "when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody" in 2008. He's a socialist


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Not all Democrats or even Liberals are "socialists". I sort of get confused by this "spread the wealth around, liberals want to take your money" train of thought amongst the mentally retarded Republican base.... when it was a REPUBLICAN administration that started 2 wars of convenience and also came up with the plan to use PUBLIC money to bail out the PRIVATE sector. People like you make no sense. You want to talk about spreading the wealth? Explain to me why Republicans came up with the Bailout? Because that is spreading the wealth, friend. Conservatives and Republicans LOVE spreading the wealth, as long as it's only spread out amongst rich people.

The wall street "moneymakers" you are talking about in your post? Yeah them, the ones who got billions of dollars from the taxpayer to make up for their incompetence? Those are the TRUE WELFARE abusers in this country. Of course, to hear "conservatives" like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum talk, only black women are on welfare.

God...how can Republicans OR conservatives look themselves in the mirror everyday. "You used welfare to buy a yacht!!! Good job son!!!! Wait, you used Welfare to buy a loaf of bread??!!! YOU SUCKING AT THE GOVERNMENT TEAT NEGRO!!!"
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:04 PM
 
Location: NY,NY
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Actually, I have a pretty good memory of the time, and while more democrats dissented than republicans, I wasn't talking about Congress, as it wasn't Congress that Declared war. It was the patron saint of the conservative movement of that decade, George W Bush. The president declares war, not Congress. Iraq and Afghanistan was HIS idea, him and Cheney. George W Bush was also the architect of the bail outs, and no, he most certainly has not admitted it was a mistake to have done that.
Only Congress has the power to declare war.

The President must ask Congress to conduct war. The President cannot singularly declare war.

This point has been one of Constitutional contention for some time, and has a particular Republican neo-con peeve.

War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The War Powers Resolution was disregarded by President Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo, and again by President Obama in 2011, when he did not seek congressional approval for attack on Libya, arguing that the Resolution did not apply to that action. [2] All presidents since 1973 have declared their belief that the act is unconstitutional. [3]
Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Additionally, the President was without any question, nor ambiguity NOT, I repeat, NOT the architect of the 'bailout'Democratic in any way whatsoever. In fact, the President was relatively uninvolved and lacking in applicable knowledge.

The same for Obama, except that, as the President Elect, the watch was now his. BOTH Bush and Obama presided over the 2008 debacle.

You really need to get your facts straight. Do a little homework!.

Drop the conjecture and supposition of propaganda, as you appear to not know, in a factual manner, what you are talking about.

Where do you get your facts, the Daily Show?
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:30 PM
 
Location: No Sleep Til Brooklyn
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Individual Americans are to blame for the mortgage crisis. Everyone was trying to get rich quick - believing the housing market would go up forever. No one was trying to make money by doing actual work, innovating or creating value. And renovating your kitchen to increase "resale" doesn't count.

All sides f'd that one up. Good old capitalism is to blame for credit default swaps, mortgage brokerages churning up liar and ninja loans, Wall Street turning a blind eye, the government backing bad loans - can't blame the Dems or the GOP alone for that clusterfluff.
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