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Old 02-09-2012, 07:33 AM
 
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Only Congress has the power to declare war.

The President must ask Congress to conduct war. The President cannot singularly declare war.

This point has been one of Constitutional contention for some time, and has a particular Republican neo-con peeve.

War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Additionally, the President was without any question, nor ambiguity NOT, I repeat, NOT the architect of the 'bailout'Democratic in any way whatsoever. In fact, the President was relatively uninvolved and lacking in applicable knowledge.

The same for Obama, except that, as the President Elect, the watch was now his. BOTH Bush and Obama presided over the 2008 debacle.

You really need to get your facts straight. Do a little homework!.

Drop the conjecture and supposition of propaganda, as you appear to not know, in a factual manner, what you are talking about.

Where do you get your facts, the Daily Show?
Oh good lord JColtrane. You usually make a fool of yourself when you post, but you outdid yourself this time. I have gotten so used to you jumping on a thread and telling people they are uneducated that I typically ignore your posts. Especially because when you are accusing everyone of being dumb you are usually dumping a huge pile of BS on the floor. (IE "What do you mean water is wet? You must be uneducated! water is dry I tell you! Go read a book sometime!")

The very Wikipedia article you have linked specifically says that the President of the United States has the authority to commit troops at ANYTIME he wants as long as he lets congress know within 48 hours. Then he can STILL conduct war for 60 days, AND gets a 30 day withdraw period regardless of whether Congress approves or not. So the president can commit troops for up to 90 days and Congress can't do a damn thing about it. And then, the only thing Congress CAN do is to cut off funding. And since no Congress ever has, or ever will, cut off funding to soldiers in a war zone, the president in Reality can commit troops anytime he wants with the only fear being a toothless reprimand by Congress. Maybe an impeachement hearing at worst, which wouldn't occur for years after the president started a war.

Good god man, its in the article YOU LINKED. You don't even read the crap you put on here. That is the War Powers Resolution of 1973. You are so convinced that you are right all the time that you just say whatever and slap a wikipedia link on it. Only, as usual, even the Wikipedia link says you are wrong. Hell man, the wikipedia link you gave us even says that the resolution is often ignored by Presidents because EVERY president since it's enactment has claimed it to be unconstituional.

As far as you saying that the wall street bailout happened because liberals increased credit limits...sigh....you are WRONG. As you usually are. First off, the economic collapse was the result of MANY factors and the blame can be spread out across all political parties, private buisness, and public stupidity. You can't break down the US economic crisis to "it's the liberals fault". You also can't say it's "the conservatives fault". It is a global crisis and everyone had their part to play.

You and your conservative cronies are talking about apples when everyone else is talking about oranges.

The conservatives on this board are claiming that all liberals are socialists and that all liberals want to spend you into the poor house. I dispute that claim because it was a CONSERVATIVE administration that started 2 wars of convenience (Iraq and Afghanistan) and a CONSERVATIVE administration that designed and then sold the bailouts to the American public. That was all on George W Bush's shoulders. So the way you and your fellow conservatives stand up and go "conservatives can do no wrong! no wrong! we are the only ones with any financial sense!" only shows how mentally retarded you are and how short your memories are.

Now I am not a company man for the Democrats. I am willing to criticize them when they are wrong. Obama's view on gay marriage is particularly cowardly. But the way you conservatives blame Obama for the bailouts is ridiculous. Did Obama continue a policy that was already in action by the Bush administration? He certainly did. But that's like if the Yankees are 8 runs down by the bottom of the 7th, and then you blame the loss on the relief pitcher before he even has stepped up to the mound. That clusterfudge was on George W Bush.

You can keep embarassing yourself by posting wikipedia articles that you haven't read and don't agree with you. You can keep on going..But obama did this, or obama did that..

But what you can't do is prove that the Republican party or the Conservative movement has ANY fiscal sense whatsoever. Because they don't. Try to keep on changing the subject all you want. The point that I originally stated is that BOTH parties love welfare. Both parties just LOVE to spend tax dollars. It's just liberals want to give it to the poor, and conservatives want to give it to the rich. I am willing to criticize liberals on their screw ups. But you lack critical thought so you can't say the same for the other side.


How about you argue with what I acutally said? What you actually ended up doing is reading what I wrote, in your mind said "Oh Crap, he's right, we conservatives are TERRIBLE people and have really screwed up this country!" and then you said...."Let me throw a whole bunch of BS up on the thread so maybe people won't notice I'm wrong."

All the proud conservatives on this board, who viciously and routinely defended George W Bush when he was President, now try to pretend that he Doesn't exist. It's like you finally agree with what eveyrone else has known since Sept 12 2011, that George W Bush was a fool. And as he is the last Conservative President this country has had, he is still your standard bearer. You can pretend that he wasn't your hero all you want, but I can go back and find post after post of you saying he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. And if you don't see George W Bush as your king anymore, then whom do you claim? You like Santorum? How about Gingrich? Gingrich was sooooo good for the conservative movement back in 97 wasn't he?

You and your cronies keep talking about how great conservatives are, let's look at your leaders then. You have George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. That is the neocon round table there. I guess you could include Romney, but he is more liberal than Barack Obama. When you look at those 4 names, do you feel a sense of pride about your political choices? Do you look at them and go "golly gee, I must have done something right to have such great men be the leaders of my movement." The saddest thing is you don't have the common sense to feel embarassed by how far the conservative movement has sunk. It used to stand for something under Regan. Now it's run by the cast of Dumb and Dumber.

So I hope you have fun crying about how mean old liberals are destroying this country. You can be frustrated by Obama all you want, I usually am on a daily basis. But for you to say that the conservative movement has any answers is laugable. And come Novemeber, you will have a choice of voting for a liberal, Obama, and an even bigger liberal, Romeny. It's your worst nightmare! Enjoy. Maybe if you conservatives would actually run a REAL primary process instead of the 3 ring circus you have now, then you could get REAL conservative candidates. You throw all your weight behind clowns like Bachmann and Rick Perry and Santorum, and you wonder why the rest of the country thinks you are a joke.

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Old 02-09-2012, 04:45 PM
 
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Holy crap dude, do you have a life outside this site?
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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I couldn't help but read this thread and not comment.

I am a New Yorker and very proud of it. I am also a self identified Republican. However I think this type of argument is really what is destroying this country not the parties policies. If we could have all of you bickering folks shut the hell up, stuff might actually get accomplished if we each take the blame for what happened.

I am left leaning on social issues

Right leaning on financial policies

and moderate on foreign affairs

and I will admit Bush had a myriad of problems. I did not support him during his presidency. I supported John Kerry and in 08 Obama.

We need somebody to come in and unite America and we need to do it now. All of you throw your pride aside and worry about america instead

However! Obama has no clue what the hell hes doing, we need a businessman to boost our country not some Junior senator from Illinois.

Just my take
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:15 AM
 
Location: NY,NY
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Individual Americans are to blame for the mortgage crisis. Everyone was trying to get rich quick - believing the housing market would go up forever. No one was trying to make money by doing actual work, innovating or creating value. And renovating your kitchen to increase "resale" doesn't count.

All sides f'd that one up. Good old capitalism is to blame for credit default swaps, mortgage brokerages churning up liar and ninja loans, Wall Street turning a blind eye, the government backing bad loans - can't blame the Dems or the GOP alone for that clusterfluff.
You are partly correct, and partly incorrect. Capitalism is NOT the problem.

The nation, individually, is responsible for all the demand for mortgages and the consequences thereof.

All efforts to lay ALL the blame on Wall Street is just a lie. While yes there was individual fraud, and indeed, there was an institutional blind eye, nobody made anybody sign on the dotted line. The greed was perverse and included everyone top to bottom.

This hindsight blame game laying it on Wall Street and Capitalism is a lie.

The fact is that 'government interference' in the market place created the crisis; and, 'government interference' has prolonged the crisis. Today, again, government continues to interfere with the market.

Capitalism is NOT being allowed to function, that is the problem, then and now.

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Unfortunately, the enimies of Capitalism and Freedom, see *now* as the opportunity to strike a deep blow against Capitalism and consequently Freedom.

The anti Capitalism propaganda machine is in full swing. RESIST! Take the red pill.
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:18 AM
 
Location: NY,NY
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Oh good lord JColtrane. You usually make a fool of yourself when you post, but you outdid yourself this time. I have gotten so used to you jumping on a thread and telling people they are uneducated that I typically ignore your posts. Especially because when you are accusing everyone of being dumb you are usually dumping a huge pile of BS on the floor. (IE "What do you mean water is wet? You must be uneducated! water is dry I tell you! Go read a book sometime!")

The very Wikipedia article you have linked specifically says that the President of the United States has the authority to commit troops at ANYTIME he wants as long as he lets congress know within 48 hours. Then he can STILL conduct war for 60 days, AND gets a 30 day withdraw period regardless of whether Congress approves or not. So the president can commit troops for up to 90 days and Congress can't do a damn thing about it. And then, the only thing Congress CAN do is to cut off funding. And since no Congress ever has, or ever will, cut off funding to soldiers in a war zone, the president in Reality can commit troops anytime he wants with the only fear being a toothless reprimand by Congress. Maybe an impeachement hearing at worst, which wouldn't occur for years after the president started a war.
You must be the stupidest F in the world.

It is NOT a "declaration of war"!

That act does NOT give the President the power to declare war. Are you stupid?

Are you not capable of determining FACT?

Simply allowing the President to commit troops for a limited period, afterwhich the Congress must then act is NOT giving the office of the President the power to declare war.

Has President Obama or Congress declared War against Libya?

Obviously not.

Obama used the same 'powers' given to him as did Bush and Clinton.

Neither of the three presidents declared war; nor did Congress.

So wtf are you talking about?

I didn't read the rest of your idiotic racist BS, perhaps later, likely not.

My purpose is to FACTUALLY correct you, not to argue idioacy.

Choose to be stupid. Continue to argue hate. Enjoy.

If you choose to learn truth, and can discuss a single fact at a time, I'd be willing to discuss, but I don't have time if you wish to hate.

Fact and truth. Fact and truth. I use fact to determine truth. I do NOT attempt to manipulate fact in order to support a truth of my own making. I do NOT choose to ignore fact.

There was never a Declaration of War upon Iraq. Bus did NOT declare war.

The President cannot and does not have the power to declare war.

Anything you say to the contrary is a lie.

I have proved the point.
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:35 AM
 
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I didn't read the rest of your idiotic racist BS, perhaps later, likely not.

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Lol! And as per usual, anyone that disagrees with JColtrane is a racist.

Race wasn't brought up, mentioned, or alluded to even once in my post, but as soon as JColtrane reads someone go "no, you are wrong" the spittle begins to fly out of the corners of his mouth and his hands smash down on the keyboard "You stupid Eff, idiot....GAAAGGHHHHH RACIST RACIST RACIST!'"
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Jay Brown,
Just put Coltrane on your IGNORE list...it makes for a more pleasant web experience.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Fact and truth. Fact and truth. I use fact to determine truth.

Afterburner: The Truth Is Out There - YouTube
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:50 AM
 
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I love this guy! He speaks the truth. But sometimes people refuse to listen to the truth and believe their own HYPE.
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I love this guy! He speaks the truth. But sometimes people refuse to listen to the truth and believe their own HYPE.
I know, life's hard and it isn't fair. For far too many people it's much easier to live in the "bubble" rather that face life on it's terms.
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