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Old 02-06-2012, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I most definitely chose the wrong profession. A single NYC housing authority plumber clocked $103,419 in *overtime*. That is on top of his base salary of $84,060 -- for a total of $187,479.

The NYC housing authority chairman makes $200,000.

Apparently, this is due to the fact that much of the work has to be done after hours and on weekends. Instead of paying overtime, why not hire plumbers specifically to work weekends and after hours? Better yet, why not contract out after hours work? No doubt the plumbers work hard, but getting nearly as much as senior executives with far more complex job responsibilities is ridiculous.

Here is a link to the article for more details:

Housing Authority plumbers among city’s top overtime earners - NYPOST.com
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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The New York Post isn't above cherry-picking to make things sound worse than they are. I'm not saying there isn't overtime abuse happening. Just that the Post shouldn't be your source for information. They've got a bias against working people a mile wide.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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Fred to be fair the unions are clearly purposefully gaming the system. They created the pay scale to be 7 hour days, 4 days a week, with a MANDATORY 5 day week (huh?) and most work required to be done nights/weekends = fleecing. If YOU were in charge of the agency and it was coming out of YOUR pocket, would you keep the status quo OR change the work schedule to predominantly straight time employees on nights and weekends, eliminating the massive overtime loophole?

The answer is simple, but nobody wants to fix the problem. Why is that? Another union fleecing...they are laughing all the way to the bank.

"The union contract covering many of the workers sets a 32-hour, four-day week, while they’re required to show up for five days. A lot of these installations can’t be done during daytime or rush hours,” Solomonow said. “So they must be scheduled for off hours and weekends".

Gotta love it!
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Fred to be fair the unions are clearly purposefully gaming the system. They created the pay scale to be 7 hour days, 4 days a week, with a MANDATORY 5 day week (huh?) and most work required to be done nights/weekends = fleecing. If YOU were in charge of the agency and it was coming out of YOUR pocket, would you keep the status quo OR change the work schedule to predominantly straight time employees on nights and weekends, eliminating the massive overtime loophole?

The answer is simple, but nobody wants to fix the problem. Why is that? Another union fleecing...they are laughing all the way to the bank.

"The union contract covering many of the workers sets a 32-hour, four-day week, while they’re required to show up for five days. A lot of these installations can’t be done during daytime or rush hours,” Solomonow said. “So they must be scheduled for off hours and weekends".

Gotta love it!
Just remember that if you left it up to the private sector, they would pay the bare minimum to the worker as "they are laughing all the way to the bank." So things like this isn't a one sided issue, there is obviously a middle ground with issues like this.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with the private sector, it has to do with accountability, and there is none. They are doing what they want, and nobody cares...so why not? Some people believe Unions are the counterweight to the greed of the private sector, but examples like these demonstrate that unions are just another pig getting fat at the trough...instead of one pig we now have 2.
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It has nothing to do with the private sector, it has to do with accountability, and there is none. They are doing what they want, and nobody cares...so why not? Some people believe Unions are the counterweight to the greed of the private sector, but examples like these demonstrate that unions are just another pig getting fat at the trough...instead of one pig we now have 2.
I agree with you, I think that is very important to have government accountability, I am just saying we shouldn't say just because something isn't functioning right we should get rid of it for the other option. Unions can easily function as a protector of worker rights and monitored to protect from greed, it just requires proper over sight which I am sure plenty of Republicans would just cry that it is an expansion of the government when it is just a checkpoint to keep things honest.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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The New York Post isn't above cherry-picking to make things sound worse than they are. I'm not saying there isn't overtime abuse happening. Just that the Post shouldn't be your source for information. They've got a bias against working people a mile wide.
Yeah just like the New York Daily News favors "working people" a mile wide. The Daily News is know for being a very democrat friendly, liberal friendly, bias paper as well. Just thought I'd throw that out since you brung up the post.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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A big part of the problem are the hiring freezes that have been in effect for 3 years now in virtually every city agency.Virtually every agency is understaffed at this point because staff numbers have been depleted and the mayor has made the decision that it's better to have fewer workers and pay them overtime than to hire more workers.

So we can blame the mayor.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:29 PM
 
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I most definitely chose the wrong profession. A single NYC housing authority plumber clocked $103,419 in *overtime*. That is on top of his base salary of $84,060 -- for a total of $187,479.

The NYC housing authority chairman makes $200,000.

Apparently, this is due to the fact that much of the work has to be done after hours and on weekends. Instead of paying overtime, why not hire plumbers specifically to work weekends and after hours? Better yet, why not contract out after hours work? No doubt the plumbers work hard, but getting nearly as much as senior executives with far more complex job responsibilities is ridiculous.

Here is a link to the article for more details:

Housing Authority plumbers among city’s top overtime earners - NYPOST.com

Well hopefully all this extra money being spent on employees translates in less money for Section 8 vouchers, which means less people on Section 8, which = HOPE for a LESS ghetto City. Fingers crossed!
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well hopefully all this extra money being spent on employees translates in less money for Section 8 vouchers, which means less people on Section 8, which = HOPE for a LESS ghetto City. Fingers crossed!
Wouldn't that just translate to more homeless people living in the city?
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