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Old 02-10-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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Necromancy is condemned by God. BTW we all need God's help; some of us just won't admit it.

.....that says it all.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Nassau/Queens border
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Ensure that you aren't dealing with mice or rats.

If you think there may be evil spirits, pray for discernment and for God's protection. If you continue to sense an evil presence, consider seeking out a priest or pastor, maybe one with experience in spiritual warfare, to pray over your home. Do not involve any "experts" who engage in occult practices, whatever you do.
I don't think mice or rats would turn water faucets on or off lol.

Get in touch with these people:

Paranormal Investigation of NYC
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It might be interesting, but I still don't see any law that says a landlord must disclose reports of ghosts. Where is the law? As far as I can see, there isn't one.

What the court case you linked to says is if you go around for years (as a property owner) bragging about how your house is full of ghosts and you report it to mainstream publications like the Readers Digest, and then you do not disclose THAT information to the buyer, then you can have a ruling against you and have a sale fall through when the buyers discover the Reader's Digest article later and sue you for their deposit back.

Show me a law that says in NYC a tenant can get out of a lease or is legally entitled to a rent reduction because of a possible ghost. So far I haven't seen any evidence that law exists.
I wasn't pointing out any laws because I never heard of them. I was looking at the post where you were talking about the NY Times and I found this one. I just said it was interesting. I'm not advocating any laws.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:30 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Oh, do tell!
You asked for it! I was in my Junior Year of college, and I was spending it as a visiting student at NYU. It was 1977 and the Punk Underground scene was in full swing at CBGBs.and to a lesser degree, at Max's Kansas City. I was always psychic and intuitive but I felt nothing evil when I first saw the apartment. It was on St Mark's Place between 2nd and 3rd! The hub of everything cool at the time! It faced the street so I could see from my balcony (they have since taken it down) all of the action on the street. Little did I know all of the "action" that was about to take place inside! I think decause of the most desirable location, I would have not perceived anything evil anyway, and it wouldn't have mattered anyway. I wanted that apartment!

The things I saw were witnessed by many people, some of them now famous, alas a few of them who have passed on.

The apartment was fine for the fist few months. I had a job working at Max's Kansas City as a waitress. We had to wear black T shirts with the name of the establishment printed on them. I had three. Frequently they would get lost, as would important course work for school. I also was a freelance Rock critic, and I attributed some of this to being over worked or disorganized.

A paper would disappear out of the typewriter (remember there were no computers, so this was serious!) then reappear just where I thought I left it, but a day later - enough to be annoying and to lower my grade.

One day I returned home from work and found the shower, which was in the kitchen, overflowing on to the floors! (it was a tenement - they frequently had tubs or showers in the kitchen)

Water was a frequent problem - puddles of water would appear even in the living room, where there was no source of water! My mattress was ON A LOFT BED 8" above the ground and one night I returned home and found it soaked with - greasy water.! There was no leak from the ceiling! We came to dub the water "Greasy Lake" after a lyric in a Bruce Springsteen song.

Dishes also broke spontaneously, as did glasses and light bulbs. People SAW THIS - I was having a dinner party and light bulbs popped and dishes split in half! Beer bottle exploded in peoples hands. Some people were laughing, but most of us were spooked. One was very spooked. Stiv Bators from the Dead Boys said "this place is evil!" He had a Roma (Gypsy) grandmother and said he had heard of such things. I countered that it was poltergeist activity, which I had read about. He said very firmly, "some is, but there is something else here too, and I don't like it"

All of the above continued, but escalated. I began to awaken with scratches all over my body. On my back, on places that I couldn't possibly have reached. I also began seeing a huge dark shadow person. This apparition was witnessed by others. It would pass from the air shaft at the back of the apartment through to the front window. The place almost vibrated or buzzed with electricity, when it passed! This electrical buzz was audible and palpable on many levels. My hair on my head would lift, then go back in place.

The worst event was when a few of my friends had gathered to dress for a night at a show. The proprietors of Manic Panic, the first Punk Boutique were visiting, as was my cousin from Long Island. We began to talk about the haunting and the room filled with the scent of flowers. This was NOT a pleasant aroma, it was sickeningly sweet. Almost, like a funeral where people had gone over with flowers. It was disgusting. really. When we all mentioned it out loud it became stronger, and more horrible. Then it was replaced by another smell - the smell of decaying rotting biological matter, mixed with the smell of excrement. Ugggh...just thinking about it 30 years later makes me feel ill! The "dueling smells" as we had come to call them, became a permanent feature in my apartment.

And all of the other things stayed. And got worse. I switched to paper plates.

Another thing was the greasy water - it began to appear as patches on the walls yellowy and oozy - also fowl smelling. I also had a "Greasy Lake" in the living room.

I did complain to my LL, (a devoutly Catholic Polish woman whose command of English was poor), about the water. Her first response was that I had left water on while running out of the house.( Typical LL response)

When I complained about the patches of greasy water, (I don't know what else to call this crap...) she came by with her huge nephew who looked over the place, checked the pipes etc. They were speaking rapidly in Polish and I could see that the LL was upset and flustered.

I asked the nephew what was wrong and he rolled his eyes and said "My Aunt thinks it is Devil" As she left the house she crossed herself.

The next day she returned with a plastic bottle of Holy Water. And scurried away from my door, once again making the sign of the cross.
I am Protestant, but I accepted the Holy Water. I was begining to think is might have been "Devil"

There is more.... I need to tell you about the crying baby...

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Old 02-10-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Nassau/Queens border
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Only God can help you and neither of those organizations worship the one true God. Stay away from the occult. That will only make matters much worse.
Please! When it comes down to it - you Christians believe that Jesus awoke after he was already dead. Isn't he then not technically a GHOST?

I believe in ghosts - always have. It always amazes me how you can believe in a GOD and Jesus and yet say that Ghosts don't exist.
I do hope the OP will take my suggestion and contact the NYC Paranormal society. They are really the only ones who can help you.

I will say however, that you should never mess with a Oujia Board.
Good Luck.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Nassau/Queens border
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as i said earlier, sage your apartment, get some holy water and sprinkle around and call a paranormal group.
Definitely Sage and the Paranormal Group.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:42 PM
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Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Please! When it comes down to it - you Christians believe that Jesus awoke after he was already dead. Isn't he then not technically a GHOST?

I believe in ghosts - always have. It always amazes me how you can believe in a GOD and Jesus and yet say that Ghosts don't exist.
I do hope the OP will take my suggestion and contact the NYC Paranormal society. They are really the only ones who can help you.

I will say however, that you should never mess with a Oujia Board.
Good Luck.

I'd say no, not technically. A ghost is disembodied. Christianity claims that Jesus's spirit re-entered his physical body some time after death and it came to life again. Totally different.

OK, carry on.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Nassau/Queens border
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It is amazing to me how many people make fun of things that they do not understand. I believe you and I am not making fun of what you are saying.

1. Two negative things occurred in the building - a murder and the death of a child. I get the sense that these things happened a long time ago.
What happens when natural but very negative events occur, is that inhuman spirits (in the Judeo-Christian tradition they are called demons) are drawn to the negativity.

2. The phenomena that you are experiencing is most likely, IMO not the ghost of the murdered woman or baby, but entities attracted to this apartment.

3. There are people who can help you. If you stay and do not rid yourself of this entity, it could follow you to your next home. (spiritual attachment)

4. The activity could escalate. There are several well reported steps to this sort of haunting and you do not want it to go any further.

5. Never under any circumstance use a Ouija board.
Yay Sheena! All true!
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Nassau/Queens border
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Interesting article, but NY State does have a Stigmatized Property Law.
Someone passing peacefully in a home is very likely with building as old as those in The Village. I live in a home in PA now that is well over 100 years old. I'm sure someone must have died here, but it's not haunted.

Not so with my former apartment at 31 St.Marks Place (E. 8th St)

So what's up with 14 W. 10th?
Daytonian in Manhattan: Mark Twain, Tragedy and Ghosts -- No. 14 West 10th Street
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Please! When it comes down to it - you Christians believe that Jesus awoke after he was already dead. Isn't he then not technically a GHOST?

I believe in ghosts - always have. It always amazes me how you can believe in a GOD and Jesus and yet say that Ghosts don't exist.
I do hope the OP will take my suggestion and contact the NYC Paranormal society. They are really the only ones who can help you.

I will say however, that you should never mess with a Oujia Board.
Good Luck.
I agree. Christians do not corner the market on Spirituality.
The OP may not be Christian. Some Rabbi's also believe in the existence of demon spirits, and indeed, it is a Judeo-Christian belief. (please notice which came first.)

I am an "eclectic Christian" I am still a Protestant (Liberal Lutheran), but I have incorporated other beliefs into my faith.

While I agree that the Ouija Board is not to be messed with, Fundamentalist Christians do not own spirituality or God. They just think they do
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