What sections are considered The "South Bronx"? (Bedford: homes, income)

[BXGEAR]

Originally Posted by Concept

heres an example that might help you understand better.

the area THROGGS NECK......which is in fact, in the SOUTHERN part of the bronx....would NEVER be called "south bronx".

i've never heard anyone, and i've lived my entire life in the bx, call throggs neck the south bronx. its referred to as EAST bronx, SPECIFICALLY to distinguish it as a "nice" area and not to confuse it with the ghettos of the "SOUTH BRONX".

Geographically, Throggs Neck is situated in the southeast portion of the Bronx. However, it is not considered a part of the South Bronx. Any place not in the South Bronx is considered the North Bronx. East and West distinction is used for geographical purposes.

[Concept]

u dont get the point i was trying to make lol. he's confused enough with why the south bronx creeps up so high, let alone trying to explain why throggs neck is part of the "north bronx".

and btw, geographically Throggs Neck is just as south as mott haven. if throggs neck is southeast, then technically mott haven is southwest.

[Hustla718]

I have never heard someone call Throgs Neck the North Bronx. Only the areas north of Gun Hill Road, east of the Bronx River Pkwy. That is the North Bronx. Throgs Neck gets lumped in as the East Bronx, along with Country Club, City Island, Pelham Bay, ect.

The neighborhoods from the southern tip of the Bronx north to Bedford Park Blvd all suffer from the same problems. High poverty rates and associated problems. Becuase of this, these areas are known as the economic South Bronx today. Of course, Fordham Road has become the unofficial border among Bronxites, even though the problems expand beyond this line. Kind of makes sense since it splits the west half in two about at the middle.

[Elvira Black]

Like the Chart, Hustla...

In a sense, maybe the South Bronx is a state of mind....as in, I'm in a South Bronx state of mind....(which probably sux).

Seriously, areas and borders often get "shifted," or renamed, esp by the real estate industry.

Oy, I'm gonna get it for this one...

[Concept]

Hustla, true....Bronxites (who've been here for while) refer to throggs neck/pelham bay as east bx. however, i've seen realtors advertise them as north bx.

[Concept]

btw...on that chart, what is that large dark green shade doin in riverdale...must be a mistake ?

[NativeBronxite]

Originally Posted by Concept

btw...on that chart, what is that large dark green shade doin in riverdale...must be a mistake ?

I was wondering the same.

[Songbird42]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Yeah I agree with Concept. Today I took a trip to University Heights and the area of W 183rd ST and all you see are drug dealers in every corner and people in front of buildings. Also very loud music and graffiti all over the place. Dont even get me started on E 184th Valentine/Morris/Walton area......and absolute dump. I dont see the change in the South Bronx....atleast in those areas.

I was born and raised on E 183rd St. Went to the Catholic school on Ryer/Valentine Aves........the area was mostly Jewish/Irish and no Blacks
totally a white area. I was there a year ago, OH MY G*D, I was sick to my stomach...that a really decent neighborhood went to the dumps. My grandparents are rolling over in their graves in Woodlawn. I guess that's why the good Lord, gave us memories........that's all I have left......memories of what once was a great place to live and grow up in.

I still don't understand how people could let this whole situation happen,
don't they have pride in themselves/neighborhood? You would think that even with poverty, than they would want to make things better?

I don't have the answers wish I did.............such a shame.

[SuperMario]

The way these people make a living is obviously by making money. Since most of these people never had a education the only way for them to make money is by drug dealing. Wherever drugs are involved, gangs and violence follow. Gangs are like family for most of these people. Give them a sense of protection. So when these people have kids, the child grows up in the same situation. That continues the cycle. Also it's looked down on if somebody acts non-ghetto. That includes chillin on the block, smoking, partying, gangbanging, sex etc etc. If somebody were to act out of place they would surely get killed.

What I notice when I visited the Uni Heights area was that the area with houses (not many btw) looked less crummy. For example Andrews Ave North has a few houses and a school in front. That area was relatively decent (again not syaing much). But when you look at the Andrews Ave South which is down the block and is mostly buildings all you see are people outside, graffiti, garbage etc etc.

I assume that most of these people avoid areas with houses because they dont feel as protected at there. IMO apartment buildings are really ghetto conducing.

[Moth]

During my years at Fordham, Fordham Road was touted as the border between the North and South Bronx. Made some sense then as the areas just north of Fordham Road were fairly decent and those south were nightmarish. So it was not completely arbitrary and I was told that insurance companies adjusted their policies accordingly. My application packet to FU even made sure to state the Fordham was in "the North Bronx". And it was (is?) as it is North of Fordham Road.

Nowadays, those nice areas have become more distressed and using Fordham Road seems a bit more arbitrary. Of course those areas in the North never experienced the rampant arson that the South did in the 60s and 70s.

Anybody remember many of the burned out buildings in the South getting a face lift by putting pictures of windows in the window spaces? Cruel irony...