What sections are considered The "South Bronx"? (Union: crime rates, co-op)

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

The term "South Bronx," has some rather vague boundaries. So I would agree that it is somewhat outdated. I also think it is pretty obvious no consensus will be reached on this forum on what exactly the South Bronx is. I mean people are basically going in a circle at this point.

Any suggestions on how to designate the different areas of the Bronx?

If we were going just by geography, then I would do it like this:

North Bronx:

Riverdale
Kingsbridge
Woodlawn
Wakefield
Williamsbridge
Norwood


East Bronx:

Eastchester
Co-op city
Baychester
Weschester
Country club
Union port
Westchester Heights
Parkchester


South Bronx:

Throggs Neck
Schuylerville
Classons Point
Soundview
Hunts Point
Mott Haven
Point Morris
Melrose


West Bronx:

Highbridge
Morris Heights
University Heights


Central Bronx:

Fordham
Tremont
East Tremont
Morrisania
West Farms
Van Nest
Morris Park
Pelham Parkway
Bedford Park


Or East/West could be divided by anything being West if it's West of the Bronx River and East if it's East of the Bronx River.

[Rachael84]

So are some west Bronx areas considered south Bronx? I don't mean south Bronx geographically. I think you know what I mean.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by Rachael84

So are some west Bronx areas considered south Bronx? I don't mean south Bronx geographically. I think you know what I mean.

Actually the only areas that can be considered South Bronx are in the West Bronx. For example, Throggs Neck is deep in the southern portion of the borough, yet it's not considered to be the South Bronx...because is not in the western half. Same goes for Soundview (to some people). Todays boundaries are west of the Bronx River and south of Fordham rd. The eastern Bronx was not hit as hard by urban decay as the west. Here are the areas that I consider South Bronx

Mott Haven
Melrose
Port Morris
Hunts Point
Longwood
Morrisania
Highbridge
Mt Eden
Morris Heights
Mount Hope
University Heights
Fordham
Tremont
E. Tremont

They're all in the West Bronx.

[SeventhFloor]

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umm the city planner said it was the "semi-official" boundary...what does "semi-official" mean? either it is or it isnt.
so that means even he's not sure
and i never claimed to know everybody who lived between cross bx expwy and fordham rd i just said everybody i personally know who lives there dont refer to where they live as south bronx.
and as i'm reading your article nobody interviewed thinks that the boundary is fordham.

Along Fordham Road, the consensus was that the South Bronx was further south.

i give u baltimore thats mid-atlantic u get a point for that 1
but i still say the northern border is the cross bx expwy
my reasoning is that after robert moses built it i think that helped quicken the deterioration of that area

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Actually the only areas that can be considered South Bronx are in the West Bronx. For example, Throggs Neck is deep in the southern portion of the borough, yet it's not considered to be the South Bronx...because is not in the western half. Same goes for Soundview (to some people). Todays boundaries are west of the Bronx River and south of Fordham rd. The eastern Bronx was not hit as hard by urban decay as the west. Here are the areas that I consider South Bronx

Mott Haven
Melrose
Port Morris
Hunts Point
Longwood
Morrisania
Highbridge
Mt Eden
Morris Heights
Mount Hope
University Heights
Fordham
Tremont
E. Tremont

They're all in the West Bronx.

I'm getting your logic, but going by this whole ghetto definition of the South Bronx wouldn't Soundview be included. Soundview is arguably the worst part of the Bronx, and has been so for some time now.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

I'm getting your logic, but going by this whole ghetto definition of the South Bronx wouldn't Soundview be included. Soundview is arguably the worst part of the Bronx, and has been so for some time now.

thank you jesus
thats my point
when you say south bronx you are using south to designate area not who's poor and who's not or where is it high crime
places like soundview and castle hill aint south bronx but they're bad
even with that being said they're not considered south bronx thats east bronx
but with your definition, anywhere thats bad or poverty stricken would be south bronx
so like i said, rename the south bronx the poor bronx then u can slap the name all over the boro problem solved

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

umm the city planner said it was the "semi-official" boundary...what does "semi-official" mean? either it is or it isnt.
so that means even he's not sure
and i never claimed to know everybody who lived between cross bx expwy and fordham rd i just said everybody i personally know who lives there dont refer to where they live as south bronx.
and as i'm reading your article nobody interviewed thinks that the boundary is fordham.

Along Fordham Road, the consensus was that the South Bronx was further south.

i give u baltimore thats mid-atlantic u get a point for that 1
but i still say the northern border is the cross bx expwy
my reasoning is that after robert moses built it i think that helped quicken the deterioration of that area

The only reason the city planner said "semi-official" is because the boundaries keep on moving. He's infering that it wont be the boundary for long. Hence, him saying "The boundaries keep moving northward" right after meaning the boundary is always changing. I dont think he would say something if he wasn't sure.

Also those people in the article actually agree with me definiton of the South Bronx.

"It don't look dilapidated. That's what I associate with the South Bronx."

Dilapdidated meaning decayed. He should speak for himself, because the sorrounding area of Fordham is a dump. If you listen to those people then you're definition is incorrect too. A lady said that it begins at around 155th street and we all know that's wrong.

So again, who you're going to believe. The city planner or the residents?

According to the article... South Bronx job corp is located in Morris Heights.

Also the expressway didn't just affect the area south of it, it affected the area north of it aswell. So that's not a good reason for choosing the expressway.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

I'm getting your logic, but going by this whole ghetto definition of the South Bronx wouldn't Soundview be included. Soundview is arguably the worst part of the Bronx, and has been so for some time now.

Soundview is east of the Bronx River. It wouldn't qualify.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Soundview is east of the Bronx River. It wouldn't qualify.

so u see the point im trying to make now
now u are using geographical boundaries to define the neighborhood....
i thought it was just based on what areas were decayed?
and i believe the residents over the city planner any day
they live there he doesnt
he didnt even want to give his name i aint know it was that serious

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Soundview is east of the Bronx River. It wouldn't qualify.

But your contradicting your definition of the south bronx.