What sections are considered The "South Bronx"? (New York: section 8, condos)

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

But your contradicting your definition of the south bronx.

amen
exactly what i've been saying all along

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

But is that really a good definition?

I mean if you mean south....I would think the absolute southern Bronx. Probably from 170st lower. I mean when looking at it in a map the Tremont, Morris Heights and University Heights sections are located in the middle or northern parts. It isn't really south per se.

I consider Highbridge, Melrose, Morrisiana and Mott Haven to be "South".

Morris Heights and Tremont to be "Middle".

University Heights and Fordham to be "North".

What do you think?

man u even said it yourself earlier.....should i continue battling with you, or just finish my beer and go 2 sleep?

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

man u even said it yourself earlier.....should i continue battling with you, or just finish my beer and go 2 sleep?

LMAO

[SuperMario]

Furthermore, this is why I believe the term South Bronx is outdated. Areas north of it are just as bad, if not worse. Im going to use the 40th precinct and the 41st precinct because they're generally considered the heart of the South Bronx. Here's some crime statistics so far for 2007.

40th Precinct - Mott Haven, Port Morris, Melrose

Murder- 11
Rape- 12
Robbery- 299
Fel. Assault- 321
Burglary- 150
Gr. Larceny- 322

Total- 1115

41st Precinct - Hunts Point, Longwood, Morrisania

Murder- 1
Rape- 14
Robbery- 187
Fel. Assault- 242
Burglary- 126
Gr. Larceny- 167

Total- 737

As compared to areas north of that


46th Precinct - Mount Hope, Morris Heights, University Heights, Fordham

Murder- 12
Rape- 26
Robbery- 365
Fel. Assault- 331
Burglary- 187
Gr. Larceny- 270

Total- 1191


47th Precinct- Edenwald, Wakefied, Williamsbridge, Woodlawn, Norwood, Baychester

Murder- 13
Rape- 19
Robbery- 216
Fel. Assault- 296
Burglary- 294
Gr. Larceny- 225

Total- 1063


49th Precinct- Morris Park, Pelham Parkway, Allerton Ave, Bronxdale, Laconia, Van Nest

Murder- 4
Rape- 16
Robbery- 178
Fel. Assault- 133
Burglary- 271
Gr. Larceny- 331

Total- 933


43rd Precinct- Parchester, Weschester Sq, Union Port, Soundview, Castle Hill, Clason Point

Murder- 5
Rape- 30
Robbery- 316
Fel. Assault- 377
Burglary- 256
Gr. Larceny- 486

Total- 1470


52nd Precinct- Norwood, University Heights, Jerome Park

Murder- 10
Rape- 22
Robbery- 346
Fel. Assault- 339
Burglary- 354
Gr. Larceny- 424

Total- 1495




As you can see the 43rd, 46th, 47th, 49th and 52nd precincts are higher in terms of crime. The amazing number is the low amount of crime for the Hunt's Point area. Other than the Riverdale area....it's the safest in The Bronx!

[SuperMario]

The reason im using the West of the Bronx river boundary is because it was in the original definition. There was never a north boundary...so it could go as high as Woodlawn. The sections west of the river have been declining since the 70's...including Uni Heights and Morris Heights....that's why they're included. But some people consider Soundview South Bronx nowadays so I guess even that boundary may change.


So you would rather believe the people than a city planner? And they tell you why he didn't give his name. So I guess you agree with the lady that said that it begins on 155th street. Which means your definition is wrong.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

man u even said it yourself earlier.....should i continue battling with you, or just finish my beer and go 2 sleep?

I learned the errors of my way . Went back did some research and here I am.

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Furthermore, this is why I believe the term South Bronx is outdated. Areas north of it are just as bad, if not worse. Im going to use the 40th precinct and the 41st precinct because they're generally considered the heart of the South Bronx. Here's some crime statistics so far for 2007.

As you can see the 43rd, 46th, 47th, 49th and 52nd precincts are higher in terms of crime. The amazing number is the low amount of crime for the Hunt's Point area. Other than the Riverdale area....it's the safest in The Bronx!

You do realize the 41st Precinct is mostly industrial? The population only lives in an area less then half a square mile. That is a ****load of crime for such a small residential area. The violent crime rates in Hunts Point are on par with the Central Ward in Newark, their worst neighborhood. Oddly murders are down versus 15 at this time last year in that neighborhood. I guess everyone worth killing is dead already, but the holiday season is known for a lot of murders so we'll see.

You got some of the precinct coverage areas wrong too.

-40 covers Port Morris, Mott Haven, and Melrose.

-41 covers Hunts Point and Longwood.

-42 covers Morrisania and Crotona Park East.

-43 covers Soundview, Castle Hill, Clason Point and Parkchester.

(Not too bad down in Clason Point although area is shot, Parkchester complex not too much violent crime. Things do happen though. Area around it is shot. In Castle Hill as of right now it's more hot pockets like the area around the Castle Hill PJ's, but overall area is already shot though and not getting better. Soundview is just the hood.)

-44 covers Highbridge and the areas around the Grand Concourse from E 149th Street to the Cross Bronx Expressway.

-45 covers Throgs Neck, Westchester Square, Country Club, City Island, Co-op City.

(Westchester Square is declining, sketchy at night in the area around the Throgs Neck PJ's, Co-op City has it's problems)

-46 covers Morris Heights and Tremont (Mount Hope).

-47 covers the Northeast Bronx. All the neighborhoods north of Gun Hill Road, east of the Bronx River minus Co-op City. They also cover Woodlawn.

(Most crime occures around White Plains Road or around NYCHA complexes. There are also hot pockets here and there, overall area is on a decline minus Woodlawn.)

-48 covers East Tremont, West Farms, and Belmont.

-49 covers Pelham Parkway, Pelham Bay, Morris Park, Allerton, Van Nest.

(Most violent crime around White Plains Road and the Pelham Parkway PJ's. Van Nest area is pretty ****ty now and Pelham Parkway/Allerton is declining.)

-50 covers northwest Bronx. Riverdale, Marble Hill, even Kingsbridge Heights.

(Most violent crime in this area goes down in the southern areas of Kingsbridge Heights, Fort Independence PJ's, also around the Marble Hill PJ's)

-52 covers University Heights, Fordham-Bedford, Bedford Park and Norwood.

(Bulk of the crime occures south of Bedford Park Blvd but the areas to the the north are still declining.)

Anyway, Unofficial South Bronx, Fordham Road down. Economic South Bronx, Bedford Park Blvd down.

[NooYowkur81]

I was just about to point that out Hustla. These stats Mario posted can be misleading. Some precincts have a lot more people than others. A percentage based on a population sample would be a more accurate stat.

[Rachael84]

I just started teaching in Highbridge...though it isn't the best area I've been to in the Bronx (I had an interview in Clason Point, it was a nice area, considering the Bronx), Highbridge doesn't seem all THAT bad. I guess maybe it's the area where the school is. It's on Walton Ave, right by the 170th st station on the 4.

[Moth]

1st: thats exactly my point....you're using a geographical term to describe the economic status of a neighborhood(s)...on the map, that area is not "south" at all...central bronx if anything...like i said, call it the "poor" bronx, then location will not be a problem. the south bronx is a collection of several neighborhoods. and actually its not just the south bronx, but the bronx itself became associated with urban decay.
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A geographical term that is also very organic and ever in flux. When was the term South Bronx first used to reflect the destruction there? Perhaps in the 1960s. If so, areas such as Fordham, Belmont, Tremont, etc were still pretty nice and stable then. As the 1970s came and went into the 1980s, those areas deteriorated and were lumped into the term, "South Bronx". By then, and certainly now, the geographical conotations of the term were becoming ever more irrelevant or even archaic as a majority of the borough has gone downhill.

Fordham Road was chosen as the border as its centrally located and a good as place as any to redline everything south of it. Institutions such as Fordham University, the Botanical Gardens, Montefiore Hosp were probably happy to utilize it as they could and can claim to be in the North Bronx, a good selling point when you are trying to obtain students, visitors, insurance, etc.

Sure, at this point in time, "South" has ceased to have much meaning as the blight of the south crept up north long ago. A couple of us are simply commenting on traditional definitions, not necessarily recent reality. Of course, if you listen to several people here, they'll tell you that areas such as Fordham, University Heights and Bedford Park are just hunky dory. And that would bring us back to the traditional border of Fordham Road!