NYC Safety Maps (Bedford, Kings Park, Ridge: real estate, felony, buying)

[ImCurlybelle]

I'm not sure, but I find this amusing ... lol!

You should submit this to that show where people try and get back-up for their inventions - you could give it out to tourists ...

[IAmEverywhere]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

Also re the Grand Concourse: should be yellow up to around 161 St,then orange up to 167th St,then red from 167th all the way up to Fordham then orange between Fordham Rd and 198 St,then yellow up to Mosholu.

I've been to various places in the vicinity of the Grand Concourse for work. Based on my experiences, the above sounds about right.

On numerous occasions, I've been in the 160's east of the Grand Concourse. Going east, these blocks don't seem too bad until you get within a couple blocks of Webster Avenue. Going north, they don't seem too bad until at least the mid-160's. As a Caucasian person, I've walked through this area many times without incident. Also, I looked at the Trulia maps. While there is some crime in this area, much of it is directed at businesses.

On Page 12, SuperMario mentioned that "E 167th and Sheridan" "...should definitely be red". So possibly the cutoff going north is at 166th Street? I'd argue for at least the rectangle between the Concourse, Morris Avenue, East 161st and East 166th being upgraded to orange.

In general, the 170's are a noticeable step down from the 160's.

Morrisania being shaded red is, in my opinion, justified. Recently, I went out around lunchtime and heard some guy threatening someone. I'm not sure why, or whether there even was a reason. This happened on Third Avenue, across the street from the Gouverneur Morris Houses. That said, I've never had a problem walking through Morrisania.

Fordham Road between the Concourse and Fordham University doesn't seem too bad during the day. This street is lined with legitimate businesses and is very well traveled. Most of the crimes listed on the Trulia maps for this stretch are directed at businesses. That said, I've been reading on these forums that there are some very bad blocks not far off this stretch.

[checkmatechamp13]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

Just my 2 cents but I think there is a big diff on White Plains Rd South of Gun Hill/Magenta as opposed to North of those streets.I would keep it orange from Allerton up to Magenta,then red the rest of the way.The worst is in the 220's and the areas around Burke and Adee,etc are not nearly as bad.

That's what I was thinking as well.

Originally Posted by bluedog2

Also re the Grand Concourse: should be yellow up to around 161 St,then orange up to 167th St,then red from 167th all the way up to Fordham then orange between Fordham Rd and 198 St,then yellow up to Mosholu.

A couple of relatives went up to Bronx Lebanon recently and told me that they felt fine walking along the Grand Concourse from the subway station (174th/175th Street), so I think the orange shading might still be warranted (this was during the day, though)

Originally Posted by bluedog2

I would also consider unshading entirely the section of Bedford Park between Bedford Park Boulevard and Mosholu Parkway and East of The GC.

Makes sense, but maybe we should start with east of Bainbridge (unless you feel there's not much of a difference between the area near the Concourse and the area near the park.

Originally Posted by ImCurlybelle

I'm not sure, but I find this amusing ... lol!

You should submit this to that show where people try and get back-up for their inventions - you could give it out to tourists ...

I think there was already some kind of app that some company made (actually, I think 2 companies tried to make it, but one gave up)

Originally Posted by IAmEverywhere

On Page 12, SuperMario mentioned that "E 167th and Sheridan" "...should definitely be red". So possibly the cutoff going north is at 166th Street? I'd argue for at least the rectangle between the Concourse, Morris Avenue, East 161st and East 166th being upgraded to orange.

Makes sense. We'll see what everybody else says.

Originally Posted by IAmEverywhere

Fordham Road between the Concourse and Fordham University doesn't seem too bad during the day. This street is lined with legitimate businesses and is very well traveled. Most of the crimes listed on the Trulia maps for this stretch are directed at businesses. That said, I've been reading on these forums that there are some very bad blocks not far off this stretch.

I think it might even be alright up to Jerome Avenue, since it's still a busy commercial strip (and up to the Concourse, I'm sure there are a lot of Fordham University students walking around).

I'll change it to orange up to the Grand Concourse and see what everybody else thinks about Jerome.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

Just my 2 cents but I think there is a big diff on White Plains Rd South of Gun Hill/Magenta as opposed to North of those streets.I would keep it orange from Allerton up to Magenta,then red the rest of the way.The worst is in the 220's and the areas around Burke and Adee,etc are not nearly as bad.

Also re the Grand Concourse: should be yellow up to around 161 St,then orange up to 167th St,then red from 167th all the way up to Fordham then orange between Fordham Rd and 198 St,then yellow up to Mosholu.

I would also consider unshading entirely the section of Bedford Park between Bedford Park Boulevard and Mosholu Parkway and East of The GC.

Disagree. If it was up to me, the Concourse is in the same boat as all the other avenues in the Bronx. For example, my friend lives on E. 165th and Sheridan, and he says there are shootings nightly there, so it's misleading to color the Concourse orange, when the blocks just off it in the E. 160's are as bad as anything. This map should give you a range. How can the Concourse and E. 165th be orange, when a block away on Sheridan it's bloody red? You do not get any safer walking a block west. Come on guys. It's the same neighborhood, with the same crime rate.

I hate this map. I really do. It's just so wrong and it's really about one's perception.

This was not directed at you bluedog.

But I do disagree with the Concourse north of Fordham. I think Grand Concourse and E. Kingsbridge/E. 196th is as bad if not worse than the blocks below Fordham.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Disagree. If it was up to me, the Concourse is in the same boat as all the other avenues in the Bronx. For example, my friend lives on E. 165th and Sheridan, and he says there are shootings nightly there, so it's misleading to color the Concourse orange, when the blocks just off it in the E. 160's are as bad as anything. This map should give you a range. How can the Concourse and E. 165th be orange, when a block away on Sheridan it's bloody red? You do not get any safer walking a block west. Come on guys. It's the same neighborhood, with the same crime rate.

I hate this map. I really do. It's just so wrong and it's really about one's perception.

This was not directed at you bluedog.

But I do disagree with the Concourse north of Fordham. I think Grand Concourse and E. Kingsbridge/E. 196th is as bad if not worse than the blocks below Fordham.

Since you live over there and probably spend more time in that area than I do,especially at night,I'm going to respect your opinion and not disagree with you.

[IAmEverywhere]

I'll also concede that SuperMario knows the area better than I do. I've been there mostly during daytime hours for work.

Also, people tend not to bother me even in the worst areas. So it would be unwise to assume an area isn't that bad just because I can walk around there without issues.

SuperMario - You were saying on page 12 that we should only shade the worst areas red. Yet you're arguing against shading areas in the 160's orange. Are you implying that these areas are bad even compared to the rest of the South Bronx?

Also, about the Trulia crime stats - do they even include everything? Because there's nowhere near as much crime as you'd expect in hotspots such as the worst projects.

[SuperMario]

I feel like the areas below Bedford Park, should, by default, be shaded orange. Then, we work our way from there with the red areas. That map makes the Bronx seem like it's 1994 version. I've been to most of the areas shaded red, and I've never had anything happen to me in most areas. I guess I can understand if we use the map as a reference to crime relative to the entire city, because the neighborhoods shaded red in the Bronx still have a murder rate 2-3x the city average. However, we will never get an accurate map because nobody has spent significant time on every block in the entire borough. Even my experiences are limited.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

You do not get any safer walking a block west. Come on guys.

Why can't it be like that? Harlem is a prime example of how things vary drastically from block to block. Are you telling me that things don't change drastically walking on 2nd Avenue, or Lexington Avenue once you get south of 96th Street?

And for the record, the Concourse and East 165th is home to one of the nicest buildings in the Bronx. Are you telling me that corner is no different than 165th and Sheridan? So they shoot right in front of that big white building too huh. I wish you could lose rep points.

Even on 161st....walk a few blocks east of Criminal Court and see how quick it changes up...I'm really surprised at u man.

Another case in point.....on the Brooklyn Safety Map, Gowanus Houses is in orange. I know your Brooklyn knowledge is extremely limited, but million dollar brownstones surround those projects. Of course you can change from day to night, block by block. You shocked me so much at your flawed thinking that I had to go back to edit my post twice to prove how off the mark your previous post was.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

Why can't it be like that? Harlem is a prime example of how things vary drastically from block to block. Are you telling me that things don't change drastically walking on 2nd Avenue, or Lexington Avenue once you get south of 96th Street?

And for the record, the Concourse and East 165th is home to one of the nicest buildings in the Bronx. Are you telling me that corner is no different than 165th and Sheridan? So they shoot right in front of that big white building too huh. I wish you could lose rep points.

Even on 161st....walk a few blocks east of Criminal Court and see how quick it changes up...I'm really surprised at u man.

Another case in point.....on the Brooklyn Safety Map, Gowanus Houses is in orange. I know your Brooklyn knowledge is extremely limited, but million dollar brownstones surround those projects. Of course you can change from day to night, block by block. You shocked me so much at your flawed thinking that I had to go back to edit my post twice to prove how off the mark your previous post was.

LOL Wow you are lost. What kind of crap is this? LMAO You're comparing E 96th street, which is barely Harlem, to a block in the south Bronx?


Hmmm. You failed so much with that crappy post, but since I'm done with school, let me teach you a lesson.

You want to know where safety changes in accordance to blocks? When there is a demographic and poverty level change. Some examples for you, a block west of Ft. Washington in Washington Heights, changes from Dominican and poor, to majority white and less poverty, which is why it's safer. Using your horrible example, uhh I wonder why it get's safer south of E. 96th street? Duh it is whiter and richer!! Dude you are lost. Find me a damn block that is the same damn demographics and has the same poverty level as the block next to it.

Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

Hmm So Grand Concourse from E. 161st to E. 167th going west till Jerome is 2% white and 95% black and hispanic. Hmm what about the other side, 90+ black hispanic etc..

Look at poverty levels.

http://www.city-data.com/neighborhoo...-Bronx-NY.html

Educate yourself. How in the blue hell does the same area, with the same type of people, with the same poverty level, get safer a block away? LMAO. As a matter of fact, more homicides are comitted on the actual Concourse than anywhere.

New York City Homicides Map - The New York Times

Yea the Grand Concourse is a safe haven in the middle of the big bad south Bronx. You want to be safer? Stay on the Councourse hahaha.

Oooo, the big white building? Oh no. You can't shoot in front of there! Seriously, friggin dudes from the 46th precinct used to shoot at cops from the roof tops when they were posted up in the precinct. Cmon man you make no sense. What the hell does a white buidling have to do with anything? And if the white building really bothers you, you can always shoot in front of the brown ones.

E. 165th and Grand Concourse - Google Maps

Dude the area is 95% black and hispanic, stop making it seem like the Concourse is some white Oasis. Thats BS, You know the E. 160's is gutter. Stop acting like the Concourse is some magical place where you are safe from all harm.

Repeat after me, ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.

I wish the negative reps where still around, you would lose your mod privileges and would have been banned for such a dumb post. Stick to Brooklyn, you know jack about the Bronx. And you are not definitely not going to tell me about an area that I know about. Trust me, the Concourse is probably worse than the blocks off it. That's where all the dudes look to rob people, and that's the block with the highest density, hence more crime.

Peace.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

LOL Wow you are lost. What kind of crap is this? LMAO You're comparing E 96th street, which is barely Harlem, to a block in the south Bronx?


Hmmm. You failed so much with that crappy post, but since I'm done with school, let me teach you a lesson.

You want to know where safety changes in accordance to blocks? When there is a demographic and poverty level change. Some examples for you, a block west of Ft. Washington in Washington Heights, changes from Dominican and poor, to majority white and less poverty, which is why it's safer. Using your horrible example, uhh I wonder why it get's safer south of E. 96th street? Duh it is whiter and richer!! Dude you are lost. Find me a damn block that is the same damn demographics and has the same poverty level as the block next to it.

Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

Hmm So Grand Concourse from E. 161st to E. 167th going west till Jerome is 2% white and 95% black and hispanic. Hmm what about the other side, 90+ black hispanic etc..

Look at poverty levels.

http://www.city-data.com/neighborhoo...-Bronx-NY.html

Educate yourself. How in the blue hell does the same area, with the same type of people, with the same poverty level, get safer a block away? LMAO. As a matter of fact, more homicides are comitted on the actual Concourse than anywhere.

New York City Homicides Map - The New York Times

Yea the Grand Concourse is a safe haven in the middle of the big bad south Bronx. You want to be safer? Stay on the Councourse hahaha.

Oooo, the big white building? Oh no. You can't shoot in front of there! Seriously, friggin dudes from the 46th precinct used to shoot at cops from the roof tops when they were posted up in the precinct. Cmon man you make no sense. What the hell does a white buidling have to do with anything? And if the white building really bothers you, you can always shoot in front of the brown ones.

E. 165th and Grand Concourse - Google Maps

Dude the area is 95% black and hispanic, stop making it seem like the Concourse is some white Oasis. Thats BS, You know the E. 160's is gutter. Stop acting like the Concourse is some magical place where you are safe from all harm.

Repeat after me, ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.

I wish the negative reps where still around, you would lose your mod privileges and would have been banned for such a dumb post. Stick to Brooklyn, you know jack about the Bronx. And you are not definitely not going to tell me about an area that I know about. Trust me, the Concourse is probably worse than the blocks off it. That's where all the dudes look to rob people, and that's the block with the highest density, hence more crime.

Peace.

This is a classic example of what happens when one fails to read.

So I'm am going to treat you like my 2 year old son.

This is what you posted before (and what I will quote you on again):

Originally Posted by SuperMario
You do not get any safer walking a block west. Come on guys.

This is my response:
Yes you do.

Thats it. If you can't comprehend that then I give up.