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Old 03-08-2012, 08:25 PM
 
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High poverty, dense, urban communities are not good for anyone, especially the residents. You need a mixture of incomes.
The problem with "a mixture of incomes" is that high-income people cause the rents to be unaffordable for others, and the low income people tend to literally drive out everyone else. So if you don't protect the low income people by law, the high drive out everyone else. If you do, the low drive out everyone else.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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The problem with "a mixture of incomes" is that high-income people cause the rents to be unaffordable for others, and the low income people tend to literally drive out everyone else. So if you don't protect the low income people by law, the high drive out everyone else. If you do, the low drive out everyone else.
You seem t think that "low income" means: low life, trash and scum?

Just because a guy makes a low income of $23k/yr doesnt make him undesirable to live around.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:41 AM
 
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The problem with "a mixture of incomes" is that high-income people cause the rents to be unaffordable for others, and the low income people tend to literally drive out everyone else. So if you don't protect the low income people by law, the high drive out everyone else. If you do, the low drive out everyone else.
Not true. Mixed income developments are regulated. They often require up to a quarter of the housing to be "affordable". Also, tenants are screened. Not to mention not every lower income person is a criminal. The whole point of creating a mixed income environment is to prevent a "ghetto" mindset from developing. This is NYC, one of the few places in America where this set up can really work. The demand for housing is high enough.
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Old 03-09-2012, 06:10 AM
 
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Not true. Mixed income developments are regulated. They often require up to a quarter of the housing to be "affordable". Also, tenants are screened. Not to mention not every lower income person is a criminal. The whole point of creating a mixed income environment is to prevent a "ghetto" mindset from developing. This is NYC, one of the few places in America where this set up can really work. The demand for housing is high enough.
You have to remember some neighborhoods have developed a ghetto mindset due to its history. And the residents like to rep or keep it hood. Also, the NYC rap/hip hop continues to make those areas ghetto/hood. A mixed income development highly depends on the quality of people that they accept in as tenants.
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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With these new buildings, the screening process can't be that strict if people are already complaining of tenants throwing garbage out their window, graffiti vandalism, smelling weed in the hallways, etc. That to me sound like a poor screening process and sounds like more of the same typical behavior from ghetto people. Are they just screening the lease-holders and not the occupants? If so, they need to change that and screening EVERY occupant, not just the applicant/lease-holder.

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Old 03-09-2012, 08:18 AM
 
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Well aren't these new buildings rent stabilized? If so, then management is stuck with those tenants as you and I both know they are entitled to get their lease renewed. That translates into a fixed problematic tenant(s) in the building. Hence more of the same typical "ghetto" behavior associated with the Bronx that keep other desirable people that would improve the area from moving there. The cycle continues.

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Old 03-09-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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what if you work but you still can't afford a co-op? then where should you live? with the "lowlives"?
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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what if you work but you still can't afford a co-op? then where should you live? with the "lowlives"?
You live where you can afford and where rentals are offered. No one said to make the Bronx into one big co-op.
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Old 03-09-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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lol...lol...lol....at ANY of you believing that mixed income housing has anything other than to do with tax and construction cost subsidies for the developers.
There's no greater good in mixed housing because that is not the natural way of things. Folks of different means barely associate with each other (outside of necessary associations at work, et al.) let alone live together.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Rich people don't do anything cool. They get to the top and they aren't hungry anymore.

Discuss.
One of worst thing in life is having to spend more than a few moments arounds someone who is "hungry." They should not be allowed around normal people, only one another.
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