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Old 03-13-2012, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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How about mandatory sterilization or even euthanasia for project residents? Do you support?
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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I'm astonished that people are discussing this civilly. I think I would be unable to, since we are a few steps away from eugenics in sone of these theories.
Very telling that people keep relating it back not to culture, but to something inherent. Which nobody mentioned.
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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@009

How about mandatory sterilization or even euthanasia for project residents? Do you support?
My two cents: Nobody can find a solution for the problem you imply. You cannot force birth control on people, however, there are many many having children who should not have any children, the biggest reason being that there is no means of financial support.

That "freedom" is restricted to certain cultural groups. In my own, we all spend a great deal of time discussing, Can we afford to have another child ? Most of us said - no. So we regulate ourselves.
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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My two cents: Nobody can find a solution for the problem you imply. You cannot force birth control on people, however, there are many many having children who should not have any children, the biggest reason being that there is no means of financial support.

That "freedom" is restricted to certain cultural groups. In my own, we all spend a great deal of time discussing, Can we afford to have another child ? Most of us said - no. So we regulate ourselves.
How about preventive and proper social work?

Remember don't lose your faith, buddy.
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:35 PM
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@009

How about mandatory sterilization or even euthanasia for project residents? Do you support?
It wouldn't matter if I supported such an idea or not. But I do agree that tenants who cause problems in and around the projects should be dealt with, if that's what you're trying to imply.
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:36 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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How about preventive and proper social work?

Remember don't lose your faith, buddy.
I am not a social worker - teacher. I have very often volunteered to pitch in, variety of projects.

I know many social workers. Many are quite good. The lawsuits constantly filed and the negligent social workers make things impossible.

It's kind of like the landlord-tenant thing. There are terrible landlords on the one hand, and terrible tenants on the other. Both act in their own interests and both have destroyed the system.
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Lake Charles, LA
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Nah, even w/o housing projects, you still have slums, so you still have crime. There really is no safe place.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Possible Plan to get the unruly ghetto residents to stay while decent wholesome familes can live in peace:

From my understanding NYCHA and other housing programs have typically one or more buildings in one development or site, perhaps keeping all the unruly residents mentioned in one or two particular buildings while decent civilized live in the remaining developments/sites.

WIN WIN solution decent families wouldnt mind living with other decent families while ghetto unruly residents can have the slim pickings.
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:51 PM
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On the contrary. Discrimination based on behavior and lifestyle is quite civilized indeed.

People living in the projects who are decent will need to begin turning in the anti-socials, and aggressively, in order that they be removed. In Harlem, anyway, those who follow the rules will be allowed to stay - income notwithstanding - and those who do not will be removed. This process is already underway and will pick up exponentially in the coming years.

People who insist on dumping garbage into empty lots will be tracked down and removed. Their neighbors, if they have not cooperated in the removal, will be removed as well.

People breeding pitbulls for sale in basements will be removed. Their neighbors, if they have not cooperated in the removal, will be removed as well.

Above all, those who refuse to raise their children responsibly will be removed, along with the children in question.

There are many programs to help people with these things.

There are and always have been decent people in the projects, but just like NYPD they are unable to eradicate crime.

All the other things you listed also go on in some rent stabilized buildings. There may be only 2 or 3 apts causing all the chaos, but the buildings are usually smaller, so it has the same effect. It can also effect the whole block if it is a block of similar buildings and mixture of buildings and private houses.

Also what are you removing the children to? Possibly something worse? Society has faced the fact that some people won't or can't work for many reasons, and put things in place so that children won't suffer too much.

Instead of placing people in make work programs that do no good, they should be required to sit outside the children's especially teenager's classes all day, and make sure they stay there, and escort them from class to class as a condition to get your checks for their families.

They should be made to sit through after school programs that include study, homework and tutoring sessions also. For very low income maybe dinner should be included.

The city should consider hiring part time people that can perform the many services that would be needed.

It is too late for many of the adults unless they make up their own minds to change their lives. But the children need to be saved. Otherwise society will end up supporting 2-3 more adults that will replace that one parent
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Bedstuy
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We all know that most of the violent crime in NYC, originates in or around housing projects.
So what if NYC was to put all of its projects in one place, with legal and (ideally) physical boundaries?
what if we developed Randall's island and put of all those project residents there?

Or maybe we can put them in the Bronx, make the whole borough a public housing project as a legal entity. We would need check-points north and south of the Bronx, and on the bridges of Randall's island.

This would reduce crime in NYC like no other measure that has ever been tried, Guaranteed!
And it would provide housing to the current public housing population!
That sounds dangerous. It wont reduce crime, but make it worst. I live near a projects but strangely enough i hardly hear anything regarding crime coming from there. Even people in the projects are getting tired of crime and its activities...
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