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Wow!! If you have any questions maybe I can help. This is sort of an area of expertise of mine, and not by choice i feel bad for the kids in this city who have parents who have to work two jobs or don't speak English, because navigating the school system is time consuming and very complicated and many school counselors are overburdened.
I sometimes feel that the horrendous HS graduation rate in the city (60% or so) could be improved just by involving the parents more, whether that means foreign-language outreach, and recognizing the significant importance of counselor positions and funding them appropriately etc.
Thats incorrect - in NYC you are zoned for elementary schools, no competition. And the top-scoring school in Brooklyn, for example, is in Greenpoint, not an affluent area like Park Slope or Brooklyn Heights.
Read this:
The Tribeca Trib - Waitlisted Tribeca Parents Angry Over Chinatown School Assignment (http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2011/may/1017_on-wait-list-for-ps-234-tribeca-parents-angry-over-assignments-to-chinatown.html - broken link)
Next time, just make sure what you say is correct before you post and we won't waste bandwith.
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As for the "regular" middle schools competing with the top schools in Westchester - you're talking out your youknowhat
You are out of touch. Academics-wise, IS 276, IS 187 and PS 122 are examples of NYC schools that can hold their own aganst Westchester's best.
Wow!! If you have any questions maybe I can help. This is sort of an area of expertise of mine, and not by choice i feel bad for the kids in this city who have parents who have to work two jobs or don't speak English, because navigating the school system is time consuming and very complicated and many school counselors are overburdened.
That is the group that I am doing advocacy for. The people who don't know anything about the process, find it difficult to navigate because of the bureaucracy and a general feeling that administrators don't care. It's sad and part of what I attribute to the concentration of selective programs in some neighborhoods and not others. People need to learn to advocate for themselves on this. I am trying to help them learn.
That is the group that I am doing advocacy for. The people who don't know anything about the process, find it difficult to navigate because of the bureaucracy and a general feeling that administrators don't care. It's sad and part of what I attribute to the concentration of selective programs in some neighborhoods and not others. People need to learn to advocate for themselves on this. I am trying to help them learn.
If you haven't already, check out insideschools.org. I have learned a lot from reading reviews. You can also see videos that explain the process. Good luck.
The Tribeca Trib - Waitlisted Tribeca Parents Angry Over Chinatown School Assignment (http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2011/may/1017_on-wait-list-for-ps-234-tribeca-parents-angry-over-assignments-to-chinatown.html - broken link)
Next time, just make sure what you say is correct before you post and we won't waste bandwith.
You are out of touch. Academics-wise, IS 276, IS 187 and PS 122 are examples of NYC schools that can hold their own aganst Westchester's best.
FHD, always so pissy. I have no idea why. This thread has nothing to do with the Catholic chruch, so be christian please.
Anyway, as you can see from your own article, for elementary you are zoned, not competing in tests. If the schools full up thats a problem, as someone else has pointed out, and a problem that will get worse. Secondly, again, "regular" NYC middle schools against "top" westchester schools no comparison. Why don't you tell us the sky is green also.
FHD, always so pissy. I have no idea why. This thread has nothing to do with the Catholic chruch, so be christian please.
Anyway, as you can see from your own article, for elementary you are zoned, not competing in tests. If the schools full up thats a problem, as someone else has pointed out, and a problem that will get worse.
Are you OK? Competition takes all kinds, not just tests. First come first serve is a form of competition. Selecting students based on demographics is a form of competition. Any kind of prioritization of one person over another is a form of competiton - you are all competing for scarce resources.
Your first 3 sentences prove that you know you will lose this argument.
As Eleanor Roosevelt quipped - "Use your head."
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Secondly, again, "regular" NYC middle schools against "top" westchester schools no comparison. Why don't you tell us the sky is green also.
I've supported my point with specific examples. How about you?
Yea, its about winning the argument rather than being correct isn't it?
Lets look at your examples, IS 187 - according to school digger the 3rd best middle school in the the STATE. Yea, thats a good ol "regular" NYC middle school - your position is more than convincing.
As you said: "and admissions are crazily competitive that they might as well be specialized schools"
Yea, thats what you meant then, and now its morphed into a philosophical expansion on the meaning of "competitive", we're all competing for resources after all...
Rage always bubbling just under there.
Yea, its about winning the argument rather than being correct isn't it?
Lets look at your examples, IS 187 - according to school digger the 3rd best middle school in the the STATE. Yea, thats a good ol "regular" NYC middle school - your position is more than convincing.
Uhmm...but I am correct. I'm right about getting into good NYC middle schools is a competitive excercise for the most part. Prove me otherwise.
Obviously you didn't understand why I used quote marks when I said "regular", nor did I say that all regular schools in NYC are as good as Westchester's. Let's put it this way - IS 187 is not a specialized middle school unlike, say, Marie Curie. Now do you get it?
"Uhmm...but I am correct. I'm right about getting into good NYC middle schools is a competitive excercise for the most part. Prove me otherwise."
I'm not going to prove you otherwise, middle school entry is competition. Elementary schools aren't, one is zoned for them. Should I send a carrier pigeon with the message again? "Middle not equal elementary"
"Obviously you didn't understand why I used quote marks when I said "regular", nor did I say that all regular schools in NYC are as good as Westchester's. Let's put it this way - IS 187 is not a specialized middle school unlike, say, Marie Curie. Now do you get it"
Oh, I see , like your protean definition of "competitive"? Like Gimme said above - compare reg. with reg. and top with top.
I'll let you have the last word on this, I can only imagine how important that must be.
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i feel bad for the kids in this city who have parents who have to work two jobs or don't speak English, because navigating the school system is time consuming and very complicated and many school counselors are overburdened.
