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Old 05-02-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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It always starts in the home and always will. Don't look at the government to save the day. Values and morals need to be reinstated back into families. All that was lost 60 years ago.

Ultimately, people need to be held accountable for their actions. No one can change them self without personal accountability. The very same people that are "ghetto" hold the solution to escape that lifestyle....them self!

It's time to press the reset button and start fresh and look at things with fresh eyes. Opportunity is all around us. Don't say u can't do it, say HOW can I do it?
It has to start at home, and schools are not the answner. Kids have to go to school already ready to learn and critically, have ingrained pro-social behavior. Teachers have to spend so much time on classroom managment that academics suffer. NYC used to have the very BEST public education system in the world prior to the 1960s; liberals set the downward course and today many NYC public school grads can't even pass a GED test.

Of course, people with poor education don't get ahead. So this contributes to further economic challenges and neighborhood decay. Between the two punch knockout of Dr. Spock and the Great Society, the Bronx went down as a sympton of increasing American decadence.
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:48 AM
 
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As for causes of entrenched poverty, I blame Robert Moses and urban renewal.

Tearing down literally miles of old buildings (taken by the city by eminent domain) and replacing them with drab, depressing tower after tower stuffed with people who only live there because they can't afford to live elsewhere - that is a recipe for permanent poverty and spiraling morale.

In the pre-WWII LES many different people lived on a street (perhaps not rich, but certainly poor and middle class, immigrant and several-generation native, blacks, latinos, jews and Christians). And of course, they had an architecturally-rich environment, streets crowded with vendors, shops, theaters below, families above. I'm not saying it was Lake Woebegone, but people remember it fondly and it produced generations of talented writers, artists, mathematicians, business people.

The visual poverty of urban renewal is matched only by the economic poverty.

A stupid, stupid, utopian impulse that failed miserably.
You are so right. Liberals and their well intended polices harmed more than helped the working class.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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america had major problems 60 years ago too.
everything was for the lily white only back then.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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It has to start at home, and schools are not the answner. Kids have to go to school already ready to learn and critically, have ingrained pro-social behavior. Teachers have to spend so much time on classroom managment that academics suffer. NYC used to have the very BEST public education system in the world prior to the 1960s; liberals set the downward course and today many NYC public school grads can't even pass a GED test.

Of course, people with poor education don't get ahead. So this contributes to further economic challenges and neighborhood decay. Between the two punch knockout of Dr. Spock and the Great Society, the Bronx went down as a sympton of increasing American decadence.
Good point!
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:12 PM
 
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america had major problems 60 years ago too.
everything was for the lily white only back then.
You are such a racist. Just know that black people are more racist than white people. You make a prime example of that. Always bringing up the race card. Blaming the white man for the lack of uncivilized behavior your people display. Can you please stop it. Thank you.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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^ oh please get out of here with that nonsense.
i like everybody. you're the one who don't like
people based on their class, and you know well
that the american past was all messed up for
blacks. go read a history book or something
if you don't know your history.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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^ oh please get out of her with that nonsense.
i like everybody. you're the one who don't
like people based on their class, and you know
well that the past was all messed up for blacks.
go read a history book or something.

Excuse after excuse. Typical.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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^ no excuses. just facts that can help people realize in a logical way how
things got the way they are today. nothing so drastic will change in 60
little years, so forget about us going back to your glorious past when we
have so much work to do for the future if people with your narrow state of
mind stay out of the way.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Burlington, VT
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^ no excuses. just facts that can help people realize in a logical way how
things got the way they are today. nothing so drastic will change in 60
little years, so forget about us going back to your glorious past when we
have so much work to do for the future if people with your narrow state of
mind stay out of the way.
And I suppose you, oh enlightened one, will be leading the way? I shudder if you represent the voice of the generation that will supposedly fix all that ails this country.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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^ whatever. I'm not about to go
back and forth with butter heads.
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