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Their is too much zig-zagery in this thread, so I am going to put this as simple as possible. How did normal places ( low-income neighborhoods become a bad place? )
USA Civil War happened, the South lost, meaning their comodity, the non-european was worthless.
However they did not give up with out a fight. They had indentured servants, gave the worst tasks, food, and pay to non-european persons. Simular to how Hong Kong was ran uptill the mid 1990's. They gave the best jobs to the white man. Basically the same as Jay H. Walder, who is currently in Hong Kong, dealing with the MTR orBrookfield CEO Richard B. Clark teasing the Mayor with a lawsuit.
Places in NYC before the lost era, had millions of non-european people,
who are of real slave decendency, and had real African cultures. However it was all white washed. The same with the South, and other places in the USA.
Around the time of the lost era, we had a drout, and depression. and during that time, many people had no jobs. The goverment had to make programs to stimulate trade. Asides for borrowing from other nations, which is the lowest it could go, devaluing the dollar.
After the lost era, people did not want to see anything that was alien to them. Mostly light skinned, or close as white people, could get. The movement was basically "We got the Japanese out, now lets get rid of the rest". This sparked the zoot suit riots, among other race riots. However this was soon forgotten. These things is what started the decay.
Afterwards, we had things that lead up to the civil rights movement.
Malcom X is basically the fire starter. Where he would challenge people who
did not welcome non-europeans. The primary fire starter was when the goverment was trying to erase the effects of civil rights with drug related crimes. You can all tell me, about how often officers will plant goodies on people.
That was peace, and that is where our society stopped. The biggest effects in our society was.
Civil War
Indentured servants
Lost Era WWI, WWII
Great white flight
Zoot suit riots
Korean war/Vietnam occured but at this point nobody really cared about these wars at all, because it was a fight for communism, when in truth, war is a business as well..............................
Civil Rights
Malcom X?
War on drugs 1970's
Commercial era Coca Cola 1980's. Nothing really changed at all. They called it the age of restoration. Super 80's Nothing really changed in the 1990's.
So basically all of these things from the 1970's was commercialized.
Then the Prison culture kicked in, because many people locked up, was released. Then most of these people put themselves back in prison.
2001-2010 Our focus was terrorism. For something that was started by European Imperialization, and Zionists. We also had anti-Latino, where a woman proclaimed that Spanish is a terrible langauge.
Now we are in a time, when, once again the light skinned, and for sure europeans are the only prefered. Everybody wants to be like them.
Anti Negro where American people ( Black Americans ) are not popular anymore.
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If you want to fill that gap of events, please do so.
The flat fact is the prison culture, and youth culture ( gang culture ) never did become doctors, lawyers, and businessmen. They never saved their money, or planned ahead. They live in homes that was without fathers, and childish mothers, who had little help. They have dreams, where nobody in this nation had any faith in them. They do not even know the loop holes, in the law. They are without love. This is what pretty much happened, and answers many questions.
That is what happend to the entirety of America. Nobody had faith in their children, and left them to die in the middle of nowhere. Some survived and are using nationwide programs to get somewhere. Eventually they get desperate, insane, or starts to see the world from another light.
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You want to talk about Latin/Spanish crimes.
Spanish Americans = African Americans.
They have the same problems but the europeans love them more, like the Asians. Everybody is dirty. If Americans all spoke Espanol, it would be the same exact thing but English speakers would be a minority.
Spanish Empire gave way to the BRitish Empire and British Empire gave way to United States of America, 500 years of Western domination and globalization.
What part of "just about" didn't you understand? Did I ever say ALL? Nope!
The sad reality is that you and I can count on one hand the non-ghetto predominately black neighborhoods HOWEVER we BOTH need our hands and toes to count GHETTO PREDOMINATELY BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS. Am I making that up?
Go ahead and run down the list and lets do the comparison. And since we're talking black neighborhoods you cannot include neighborhoods that are predominately hispanic and also keep in mind of the DRAMATIC drop in crime in many former 'warzones' that consist of predominately black demographics.
I will give you 2 obvious ones (both which have experienced DRAMATIC drops in violent crimes over the last 2 decades):
I don't think low-income neighborhoods were every really "good." The Five-Points was bad in the 19th Century and the LES/Bowery and Hell's Kitchen areas were bad from the 1860s until the mid-1990s.
Okay, in an attempt for this to not get ugly, let's try not to.
ALSO, I'm going to ask that we can look at these neighborhoods during the period PRIOR TO THE CRACK ERA. So let's go up to 1980. Crack ushered in some problems that were not there prior.
One theory I have is that lower income people were spread out all over the city. They weren't concentrated on public housing or "affordable housing" where Section 8 vouchers are used to subsidize rent.
Poor people rented apartments in neighborhoods with mixed incomes and professional levels, and I believe this had something to do with the different value structure that existed back then. For example, you could have a family owning a brownstone in Bed Stuy or Park Slope, and in the house next door, the family is renting an apartment and they receive public assistance. Perhaps this proximity to people with different values was motivational.
I think you bring up a VERY good point. It's segregation, cloaked in compassion.
On another thread we strayed off topic about how neighborhoods with high concentrations of poverty ate associated with crime, "ghetto" behavior, wayward kids, filth, etc. However, this was not always the case. One poster mentioned that walking through the projects, you'd see men in suits going to work, supervised kids who were disciplined, who went to some of the best high schools in the city.
So, what happened? Once the "cream" of these neighborhoods did well and moved on, only the most disinfranched remain?
Just curious on some theories you may have.
This may be a really goo book for you to read about the Patterson Houses in the South Bronx. Though very anecdotal and autobiographical, you can see how things began to get bad:
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