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Old 05-03-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: New York NY
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Obviously we have gangs here in the 5 boroughs, especially in some of our toughest neighborhoods. Let's stipulate that right up front.

But how come gang life in NYC isn't at the intensity and size of gang life in Chicago or LA ( or maybe even some other cities)? We have all the same ingredients for gangs that they do--lots of guns, plenty of drug users, whole blocks full of poor, alienated kids, plus a nice mix of desperate immigrants looking to make a living (or a killing). In the past it seems that the city had lots more intense gang activity than it has now. And I'm not complaining about that. Really. But I am wondering.:
  • Are our plice better?
  • Has so much of the city been gentrified that there are fewer gang haunts?
  • Are gangs just small fries in the drug trade and thus lack power?
  • Or has a falloff in drug use made gangs less relevant?
  • Are there just more opportunities here for prospective gangbangers to go stragit?
  • Or is gang activity bigger than I think and just underreported by the local media?
Maybe its something else altogether. Anybody got a clue?
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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Obviously we have gangs here in the 5 boroughs, especially in some of our toughest neighborhoods. Let's stipulate that right up front.

But how come gang life in NYC isn't at the intensity and size of gang life in Chicago or LA ( or maybe even some other cities)? We have all the same ingredients for gangs that they do--lots of guns, plenty of drug users, whole blocks full of poor, alienated kids, plus a nice mix of desperate immigrants looking to make a living (or a killing). In the past it seems that the city had lots more intense gang activity than it has now. And I'm not complaining about that. Really. But I am wondering.:
  • Are our plice better?
  • Has so much of the city been gentrified that there are fewer gang haunts?
  • Are gangs just small fries in the drug trade and thus lack power?
  • Or has a falloff in drug use made gangs less relevant?
  • Are there just more opportunities here for prospective gangbangers to go stragit?
  • Or is gang activity bigger than I think and just underreported by the local media?
Maybe its something else altogether. Anybody got a clue?
IMO, it comes down to the fact that the city is just so densely populated. Gangs (and most crime in general), thrive on putting fear into their victims, and one way to do this is in numbers. There are few "abandoned" areas in the city for Gangs to really strengthen their grip.

Im sure there is more to it than that, but I truly believe the density of the city helps keep crime down.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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I believe it is the public education system softening any potential recruits. These kids spend most of their time in schools, where the teachers coddle, and cojoul, and pamper them up. By the time tryouts for gangs come, these kids are just too wussified and just dont want to join.

I do not think the LA kids, and Chi-town kids have as good as NYC kids in terms of schools.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Ridgewood, NY
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I believe it is the public education system softening any potential recruits. These kids spend most of their time in schools, where the teachers coddle, and cojoul, and pamper them up. By the time tryouts for gangs come, these kids are just too wussified and just dont want to join.

I do not think the LA kids, and Chi-town kids have as good as NYC kids in terms of schools.
This is an ignorant comment and clearly written from someone who has no experience with NYC public education... I work in the system and I can't even tell you how horrible some of these schools are and unfortunately it's the combination of students, bad parenting, and lazy/incompetent teaching that creates the situation you see within the education system... These kids in bad areas aren't coddled, they're neglected and while there are a number of hard working teachers working within the public school system I do have to agree with one thing that the mayor says and that is that tenure has created a generation of teachers that know they cannot be fired and thusly don't give a crap about how they teach...

In terms of gang activity I do agree that it has diminished a great deal over the last couple of years especially... Originally, from about 05-10 I saw gang presence increase dramatically in different neighborhoods and I thought that this was a sign of things to come but you gotta hand it to the NYPD... Granted, there is corruption as with any department, but they have done a great job in taking down the major players in these gang wars and because of that gang on gang violence has lowered...

With that said, gangs were never truly a part of NYC culture and it just seems like that fad that took off in NYC late 80s on through the 2000s is losing its popularity... I don't think gangs will ever completely die off in this city, there are too many gangbangers left for that to happen, but unless Mexican gangs become the latest trend in this city, I think we can safely say that gangs have peaked in this city...

Again... overall crime has continued to rise last 2-3 years despite this reduction in gang problems so I don't know how much better we actually are but at least for our children's sake the idea of being recruited into these gangs isn't as strong as it used to be...
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:02 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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How about that their boundaries are enforced and treaties are maintained amongst gangbangers?
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: USA
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kids barely come out and play anymore.
they're too busy being e-thugs now lol.
gangs have gotten kind of played out,
because most of the gangstas are either
dead or lock-diggity.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:40 PM
 
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L.A has more illegal alien criminals.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:14 PM
 
Location: NYC by week; ATL by weekend
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This should not be taken as a jab, because I live here but growing up in another very dangerous city (New Orleans) and spending summers in Cali (Watts & Oakland) from the time I was 5 with family I can say that NYC is not as bad as the places stated earlier in the thread and everyone here should be happy. The fact that some of these cats are claiming cuz or blood out here is funny. And when you go to LA, those dudes laugh. The difference in the gang culture here in NYC and lets say LA has nothing to do with the density of habitants or what have you, that s##t is a way of life out there. They have been doin that for years in LA. Same with Vicelords, Gangster Disciples and Folk in Chicago. Its a totally different mentality. And believe you me, the residents of NYC are better off that these cats haven't adopted that mindset. Yeah, MS-13 and Latin Kings are here, but they are not the Bloods, Crips, VL's, GD's..ect. MS 13 is bad enough, they are everywhere...imagine them multiplied by 5,000 in the boroughs.....each block a different set and they always warring with each other. No comparison here...

Not glorifying it or anything, or takin a jab at NYC
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:30 PM
 
Location: USA
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^ true sh#t, b..


this is not back inna days when
nyc was gang land usa.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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Chicago and L.A. gang activity = GREATLY EXAGGERATED.

Media driven fear mongering.

Are there problems, yes. Every major city in America, especially those with large immigrant populations has problems with gangs, more so in certain areas then others.

The vast majority of homicides in the USA period are over petty disputes which became escalated. Gang members may have been involved, but 9 out of 10 times it is over a stupid argument.

NYC's crime problems, along with those other cities mentioned, are end products due to a complicated collection of social issues stemming from poverty, discrimination, breakdown of the family structure, and segregation. Gangs are an afterthought, you won't solve that issue unless you go after the root cause.
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