Neighborhood turning points in Bronx? (Otto: apartment, crime, brokers)

[Guywithacause]

oops..make that Half-empty to you Hustla...we both can't be half-full!

[Guywithacause]

Here is some insider information that the majority of you do not have access to about the Bronx, and the future, as in the next 3-5 years, of this borough. ALL OF THESE PLANS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND DEVELOPMENT (commercial/retail/residential) HAS ALREADY BEGUN. I recommend all of you to take the time and either print out or read what is/will be happening in this borough. After reviewing SOME of the information I have provided you, you will note that the Bronx's future is being repositioned for the working and middle class of the city, not for the poor.

Richard Dattner & Partners Architects (broken link)
(this project is coming soon!...the pics on the right look great)

MAP - Portfolio - Planning - Melrose Commons Town Center
(you can d/l the pdf on the bottom right of the pic for some additional info, and read about the Bronx Center plan in the upper left)

http://www.nycedc.com/NR/rdonlyres/5A055858-1880-4263-BE82-46EFB96E28B0/0/melrose_study.pdf
(this is an analysis of Melrose, there are others for each neighborhood)

The groundwork is being laid....all the naysaying and negativity will not keep the Bronx from progressing...the Bronx is improving, and will be noticeable different in thenext 5 years, expecially in Mott Haven/Melrose/Hunts Point.

[Elvira Black]

thanks for the inside scoop, guy!

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Hustla there is no need to give a point by point on the negatives...you have them down pretty well I would say. I am giving a different perspective, the glass is always half full to you, whereas to me it is half full..and filling. 2 different perspectives, but neither is wrong. I have already spent enough time listing/writing/repeating/informing/educating the positives over the past 20 years to you, I will only repeat them to others who inquire. Look back on my prior posts for more info.

And I agree that there are still places within the city that are better and subsequently more expensive, however many people cannot afford to pay a penny more...period. In addition, people would prefer to be close to the city, as that is more important to them than living all the way out in places like Throggs Neck (which is poorly served by public transport) and completely suburban...not city-like.

Mead I agree. The rental market out there....and to use Hustla's words: "it is a total rip off." Competition is stiff, especially in the so called affordable areas of Bushwick, Mott Haven/Melrose/Hunts Point, Bed-Stuy, etc...as immigrants, transplants from other parts of the city, subsidized-voucher tenants, and those outside of the city are all chasing the few "affordable" apts. It is not easy..especially if you are in close proximity to the city...and it is only getting worse.

The Bronx is no longer affordable. You either have to be wealthy and maybe you can find a place in Riverdale or you have to be poor and move into a low income housing complex in the South Bronx. Throggs Neck has gotton very dense over recent years thanks to overdevelopment. Overpopulation is a problem there but it is not that extreme compared to other parts of the city. The South Bronx is not close to Midtown/Downtown either. Park Slope, Green Point, yes. Not all of the South Bronx has subway coverage either. When they tore down the Third Ave El, the central parts of the South Bronx all the way up to Fordham Road lost their public transportation to Manhattan. That's almost 1/3rd of the South Bronx area. The neighborhoods of Melrose, Morrisania, and East Tremont/Bathgate.

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Here is some insider information that the majority of you do not have access to about the Bronx, and the future, as in the next 3-5 years, of this borough. ALL OF THESE PLANS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND DEVELOPMENT (commercial/retail/residential) HAS ALREADY BEGUN. I recommend all of you to take the time and either print out or read what is/will be happening in this borough. After reviewing SOME of the information I have provided you, you will note that the Bronx's future is being repositioned for the working and middle class of the city, not for the poor.

Richard Dattner & Partners Architects (broken link)
(this project is coming soon!...the pics on the right look great)

MAP - Portfolio - Planning - Melrose Commons Town Center
(you can d/l the pdf on the bottom right of the pic for some additional info, and read about the Bronx Center plan in the upper left)

http://www.nycedc.com/NR/rdonlyres/5A055858-1880-4263-BE82-46EFB96E28B0/0/melrose_study.pdf
(this is an analysis of Melrose, there are others for each neighborhood)

The groundwork is being laid....all the naysaying and negativity will not keep the Bronx from progressing...the Bronx is improving, and will be noticeable different in thenext 5 years, expecially in Mott Haven/Melrose/Hunts Point.

That is not insider info. The new mall on Third Ave is almost complete along with a few of those buildings. New jobs but they serve the low income population. New housing but again it serves the low income community. Same old *****.

The Melrose area is among one of the poorest neighborhoods in America. Those are just plans for more low income housing. There is also some spill into southern Morrisania. The new NYCHA developments in that neighborhood are part of the redevelopment plan. The new development is specifically designated for low income seniors raising grandchildren with no minimum income limit. A very common situation in the Bronx. In the coming years the area should see an increase in vandalism and youth crime. What was once vacant lots is becoming low income housing. Basically what it was before they torched the place.

Not the big change I was expecting to hear... It's the same old. I was expecting some schools or some parkland at least. Of course, there is no money in that. At least there are some positives. More low income housing for the current population and low wage jobs so they can pay off the rent. However these plans are not going to transform the South Bronx from a low income community. In fact they are enforcing that.

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by Elvira Black

A lot of residents are getting displaced by white people

'Cuase them coloreds ain't got no money, right?

Liberal "non" racism strikes again.

[Guywithacause]

Hustla...the Bronx is still affordable...especially for working and middle income families. Where else can you find a 3 bedroom apt for $1,400 a month? Where else can you find a single family house for $350,000...or multi-families for $400,000. The cost of living in this borough is far lower than all the others....so relatively speaking, it is still affordable. It is not affordable to the poor of Calcutta, or the indigent of Brazil obviously, but for one of the top 3 most expensive cities in the richest country in the world, how can you possibly believe that the Bronx is not affordable if not downright cheap?!

Much of the new development that is occuring is geared towards working/middle income families, as I have repeated but you dismiss. Although you may not want to believe it, it is happening, and the working/middle class are returning and buying homes, and moving into these new development. I agree that housing is also being created for senior taking care of grandchildren, as well as some for the very poor, and everything in between. The city is trying to cater to the middle/working, which is why that type of housing is being created here also....everyone needs a place....and there is/will be a place for everyone in the Bronx. In fact, the poor will always have a place in this city so long as the generous government susbsidies keep flowing of course.

Yes there are new jobs, but why do you say "but they serve the low income population." They are the ones that need it the most! If they were all white collar..you would be complaining "yeah but the jobs are not for us, it's for the white's that are trying to push us out." Like I said...the glass is always half empty with you.

"The area should see an increase in vandalism and youth crimes." Are you serious? By developing vacant lots into new working and middle income housing, that means an increase in vandalism and youth violence is on the way? I am sure happy you are not an economics teacher!

If you believe the changes that are occurring are the "same old" then it is official...you have an incurable case of Hustla-itis...and the doom and gloom that you spread will always close your eyes to all the positive steps, and revitalization of these communities.

New jobs = but it's all for low income people, New housing = yeah but it's for the poor people, Renovated Buildings = why bother, they will be trashed anyway in a couple years, New 2/3 family homes = what a rip-off...the Bronx and the city is a gyp, Renovated train stations = why bother, they will be trashed too. Damned if you do...damned if you don't...welcome to Hustla's world.....the eternally half-empty glass.

[Elvira Black]

Originally Posted by briarwood

'Cuase them coloreds ain't got no money, right?

Liberal "non" racism strikes again.

Briarwood, you took that sentence completely out of context. It was in response to a white girl getting heckled for being a white in a minority neighborhood.

Got anything more to say other than the quick sarcastic quips?

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by Elvira Black

Briarwood, you took that sentence completely out of context. It was in response to a white girl getting heckled for being a white in a minority neighborhood.

Got anything more to say other than the quick sarcastic quips?

Yes. Here's a novel idea:

Racism is Racism is Racism is Racism is Racism is Racism is Racism is Racism...


What that means is maybe it's time we descard the scorecard bull**** that is "White Guilt" and "Historical context" and see Bronxchick's dilemma for what it really is:

Racism

I posted here about White NYers racism towards ethnic change in their neighborhoods, and I also am going to defend the right for White NYers to live where they want. Lest I remind you of this:

[Guywithacause]

I agree Briarwood that the doublestandard should stop.

[Elvira Black]

On the other hand, Briarwood, if memory serves, I thought your attitude was that you'd have to be insane to move to some of these areas if you're white. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

As I've said before, newcomers to any area no matter what their race would do well to respect the neighborhood and its current residents, whether that be a white girl moving to the "ghetto" or a new immigrant moving to a more assimilated area.

I don't think the poster in question was dissing anyone though, and yes, it sucks. All I was saying is that if you fear that you will eventually get priced out when whites start to move in, you might be apprehensive about it. But that doesn't excuse the harassment. There are plenty of A$%oles of every race, color or creed to go around. It angered me when my b/f got called a white mother&&&er on the street the other day too. As a NY Jewgirl, I know many of my peeps were in this general hood long before other minorities settled here.

But look at the "ethnic cleansing" in places like Bosnia. White against white. It seems to be hard wired into our species to distrust anyone who is different--even if it's just the different colors that gang members wear to provoke each other to violence.