Anyone here know NY Gun laws? (Glen: crime rates, movies, law)

[Hustla718]

It is a misd to carry a gun. A felony to carry a loaded gun. Used to be one year minumum and now it is at 3+ years.

It also depends on the plea deal. In this city it's a miracle if they convict. Especially in the borough of the Bronx, which once held the title of the lowest conviction rate in the nation (now New Orleans but I think the BX is number 2).

As for the guy with the guns. Haha. In NYC, the only people with guns are the police and the criminals. You are at the mercy of the system. You might get raided thanks to a snitch, you never know who hears what. So if you do decide to keep your arsenal, you might want to keep it a secret.

Belive it or not it's a misd to carry a knife as well (along with basically any other weapon in this city). Yes there is the 4 inch rule but if it flicks we can classify it as a gravity knife. Yes, it ain't a real one, but that doesn't mean we can't classify it as one. There is also the "dangerous knife" classification and that basically can be applied to anything. Again, you at the mercy of the system.

[hendersonswoman]

My Brother Just Got Locked Up For Using His Gun Recklessly.i Use To Live In N Y But Now I Live In Florida And I Would Like To Know What Is The Laws In N Y For A Unregistered Gun And Using It Recklessly

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by hendersonswoman

My Brother Just Got Locked Up For Using His Gun Recklessly.i Use To Live In N Y But Now I Live In Florida And I Would Like To Know What Is The Laws In N Y For A Unregistered Gun And Using It Recklessly

What did he do? Threaten someone with the gun?

If that's the story he commited menacing with a deadly weapon and a gun charge for an illegal handgun.

[jflores]

I think I vented in a previous thread about this issue. My problem with the whole situation is that NYPD seems to bat an eye at the facts that many criminals have illegal guns yet its the upstanding citizens who get the worse end of the stick. All this talk about how overall crime has gone down, I grew up in ENY and to this day it has the highest homicide rates out of all the precincts, granted they have gone down just a bit, I guess what I am really trying to say is they should ease up on the gun laws, I live in Texas now and I happen to own a gun as well as a permit to carry a concealed license. If the federal government deems me responsible enough to carry a gun, then so should the state of NY. Furthermore, with all the crying about NYPD not getting enough recruits eventually crime will rise and I truly believe that if more people actually carried a legal handgun or atleast be able to have one concealed at home they can prevent crimes from happening. Either way I am going to keep my gun if I was going to move to NYC, I will be damned if someone broke into my home and threaten my wife and kids, I will continue to live with the motto shoot first, ask questions later.

[Alan B 718]

Originally Posted by jflores

I think I vented in a previous thread about this issue. My problem with the whole situation is that NYPD seems to bat an eye at the facts that many criminals have illegal guns yet its the upstanding citizens who get the worse end of the stick. All this talk about how overall crime has gone down, I grew up in ENY and to this day it has the highest homicide rates out of all the precincts, granted they have gone down just a bit, I guess what I am really trying to say is they should ease up on the gun laws, I live in Texas now and I happen to own a gun as well as a permit to carry a concealed license. If the federal government deems me responsible enough to carry a gun, then so should the state of NY. Furthermore, with all the crying about NYPD not getting enough recruits eventually crime will rise and I truly believe that if more people actually carried a legal handgun or atleast be able to have one concealed at home they can prevent crimes from happening. Either way I am going to keep my gun if I was going to move to NYC, I will be damned if someone broke into my home and threaten my wife and kids, I will continue to live with the motto shoot first, ask questions later.

Texas, the bible belt, midwest states, they all grew up with western frontier mentality, so carrying a gun is second nature. People just dont even think twice about it, because its always been there.

The problem they have in NYC, i think is that its just too damn crowded. Most places that have lax gun control laws are pretty sparsely populated and people drive from point A to B. Imagine a couple of guys going at it downtown, or midtown (or anywhere) between the hours of 7am and midnight. Kids in school buses, people going to work, lunch, theater, etc.
Now what happens when the wrong person gets shot up with a legal gun? Lots of litigation and problems. I doubt the city can handle that drama.

Add to that racial profiling. NYC is very diverse. Combine that with the fact that 13% of blacks are convicted felons(nation-wide. prolly higher in nyc), slightly less for latinos. If i were a cop, i'd be stoppin every black/latino guy i saw with a gun just to check credentials and get an easy arrest.

I know it gives a huge advantage to a criminal that he knows he can just walk up to 99.9% of the population in NYC and pull something and not worry that something will be pulled back. You cant even really carry a friggin stick or a bat in nyc. If a cop even thinks you're up to no good, he can question/detain/arrest you. If it looks dangerous, its probably illegal.

But more than likely the benefits of not having every jerkoff in nyc packin heat outweighs the disadvantages of not having every jerkoff in nyc packin heat.

[Elvira Black]

Shoot first, ask questions later is not that great a motto IMO.

I agree with Alan B. Decriminalizing gun ownership here would just make a bad situation worse. Those using guns here illegally should be sufficiently punished. Even a one on one street dispute can and does claim many innocent victims.

The NYPD are in a bind, and I think they have an extremely tough job. But incidents like Diallo etc seem to indicate some...um...overzealousness to say the least. Why would anyone "need" to be shot that many times, innocent or not? Are they trying to recreate the final sequence of Bonnie and Clyde? Talk about overkill....

So if even the NYPD can err in this way, the average citizen can too. Cops need to carry weapons for obvious reasons, as they are much more likely to be shot just for starters (another "great benefit" of illegal gun ownership). But vigilante justice will not be tolerated here. It's as out of place as wearing a cowboy hat on Fifth Avenue.

[Alan B 718]

Originally Posted by Elvira Black

Shoot first, ask questions later is not that great a motto IMO.

The NYPD are in a bind, and I think they have an extremely tough job. But incidents like Diallo etc seem to indicate some...um...overzealousness to say the least. Why would anyone "need" to be shot that many times, innocent or not? Are they trying to recreate the final sequence of Bonnie and Clyde? Talk about overkill....

As for the "need" in shooting someone. People forget that most cops have never even fired their gun in the line of duty. Its an extremely tense situation to even have the thought of someone putting a bullet into you. I can only imagine that once someone yells GUN and the first shot goes off, that everyone will probably empty their clips.
I think the cops are probably more scared than overzealous when they go nuts like that. From the outside looking in, it would appear that there is no need to put 40 bullets into someone. But in all honesty, if i were in that predicament, i would unload the clip. (ergo, thats y we have strict gun control laws)

[Elvira Black]

Well, since the NYPD are more likely to be face to face with armed criminals due to their chosen profession and the majority never fire their gun, I say that the average citizen has "no business" carrying one illegally either.

[BXGEAR]

Originally Posted by Alan B 718

Texas, the bible belt, midwest states, they all grew up with western frontier mentality, so carrying a gun is second nature. People just dont even think twice about it, because its always been there.

The problem they have in NYC, i think is that its just too damn crowded. Most places that have lax gun control laws are pretty sparsely populated and people drive from point A to B. Imagine a couple of guys going at it downtown, or midtown (or anywhere) between the hours of 7am and midnight. Kids in school buses, people going to work, lunch, theater, etc.
Now what happens when the wrong person gets shot up with a legal gun? Lots of litigation and problems. I doubt the city can handle that drama.

Add to that racial profiling. NYC is very diverse. Combine that with the fact that 13% of blacks are convicted felons(nation-wide. prolly higher in nyc), slightly less for latinos. If i were a cop, i'd be stoppin every black/latino guy i saw with a gun just to check credentials and get an easy arrest.

I know it gives a huge advantage to a criminal that he knows he can just walk up to 99.9% of the population in NYC and pull something and not worry that something will be pulled back. You cant even really carry a friggin stick or a bat in nyc. If a cop even thinks you're up to no good, he can question/detain/arrest you. If it looks dangerous, its probably illegal.

But more than likely the benefits of not having every jerkoff in nyc packin heat outweighs the disadvantages of not having every jerkoff in nyc packin heat.

Originally Posted by Alan B 718

As for the "need" in shooting someone. People forget that most cops have never even fired their gun in the line of duty. Its an extremely tense situation to even have the thought of someone putting a bullet into you. I can only imagine that once someone yells GUN and the first shot goes off, that everyone will probably empty their clips.
I think the cops are probably more scared than overzealous when they go nuts like that. From the outside looking in, it would appear that there is no need to put 40 bullets into someone. But in all honesty, if i were in that predicament, i would unload the clip. (ergo, thats y we have strict gun control laws)

Alan B you are very welcome at this forum

[jflores]

Out of place?? It seems to me that most of you never took any history and do not understand your constitution, somewhere along the line the second ammendment (the right to bear arms) got thrown out the window.

Guns serve as a deterrent to crime, I honestly believe that. Most of you have never even grown up in a rough neigborhood but fall for the propaganda that media spews out about gun control. How is it possible that there can be more illegal guns on the streets than legal guns.

I grew up in poverty, I grew up in ENY, at times it can be a war zone out there.

If anything, I dont have a problem with their being strict restrictions on being able to carry a concealed weapon like your carrying a cell phone, but we should atleast be able to have a legal gun in our homes for those that think its ok to break in.

To make things clear, If I am at home and someone breaks in and is willing to harm my wife and kids to get what they can out of our home, I will shoot thats just life.