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Old 06-08-2012, 06:57 AM
 
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Complete avoidance of the answer to a very simple question?
Are you landlords MASOCHISTS or are you making BIG BUCKS? Or do you just like to WHINE.
It's not a rocket science level question.
I didn't get a chance to answer your question because I had to take my Bentley to the shop then shoot over to my mansion in the Hamptons cause you know us rent stabilized landlords make a killing and have money to burn.
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:05 AM
 
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Complete avoidance of the answer to a very simple question?
Are you tenants MASOCHISTS or are you saving BIG BUCKS? Or do you just like to WHINE.
It's not a rocket science level question.
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Great Neck / Boca Raton
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This whole anti-rent stabilization and pro-tenant debate seems trivial in light of the fact that the laws were extended in 2011 and the deregulation/high-income amounts actually increased, presumably keeping more units "in the system". The Supreme court also refused to hear the Harmon's petition.

So whatever side of the fence you find yourself, the bottom line is that RS isn't going anywhere at least until June 15, 2015. So are we really going to have to listen to LL whining for the next THREE years? And, is RS going to be blamed for every woe in the city?

Landlord illegally removed fire escapes..... blame RS
Properties not properly valued in the Bronx..... blame RS
Tenants and LL mutually agree on buyouts ..... blame RS


So many threads lately are being highjacked and brought back to the RS debate.
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:15 AM
 
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Agreed. At the end of the day, the laws have been renewed and increased so we are left with this mess for decades to come. Nobody wins..the tenants or the LLs.
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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This whole anti-rent stabilization and pro-tenant debate seems trivial in light of the fact that the laws were extended in 2011 and the deregulation/high-income amounts actually increased, presumably keeping more units "in the system". The Supreme court also refused to hear the Harmon's petition.

So whatever side of the fence you find yourself, the bottom line is that RS isn't going anywhere at least until June 15, 2015. So are we really going to have to listen to LL whining for the next THREE years? And, is RS going to be blamed for every woe in the city?

Landlord illegally removed fire escapes..... blame RS
Properties not properly valued in the Bronx..... blame RS
Tenants and LL mutually agree on buyouts ..... blame RS


So many threads lately are being highjacked and brought back to the RS debate.
If I remember correctly, you are or were a tenant in NY so its quite obvious you lean and side with the tenants, hence your comment.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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There are poor people in the City...blame RS.
Income is skewed more than in anyy City in the U.S....blame RS.
Landlords are greedy bums...blame RS.
Homelessness is on the rise...blame RS.
We are fighting several wars we cannot afford...blame RS.
The federal budget is busted...blame RS
Our children cannot get decent public educations...blame RS.

If ONLY landlords got a lot more money all these problems would evaporate.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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If I remember correctly, you are or were a tenant in NY so its quite obvious you lean and side with the tenants, hence your comment.
Instead of simply referring to "tenants" in an RS discussion, you should always preface it and use the term "LOW-RENT STABILIZED tenants".
Because that group is the ONLY one which benefits from the RS system. The MAJORITY of tenants are NOT in that group and they are hurt by RS because market rents are pumped up by the system.

This point should be continually emphasized. Because the realization by the general public of this effect of RS, as well as the many other negatives of the RS system, is the only hope that the politicians will rid the people of NY of this albatross.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:21 AM
 
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There are poor people in the City...blame RS.
Income is skewed more than in anyy City in the U.S....blame RS.
Landlords are greedy bums...blame RS.
Homelessness is on the rise...blame RS.
We are fighting several wars we cannot afford...blame RS.
The federal budget is busted...blame RS
Our children cannot get decent public educations...blame RS.

If ONLY landlords got a lot more money all these problems would evaporate.
Ridiculous attack posts like this are designed only to inflame and not be constructive.
THE FACT IS THAT EVERY HOUSING ECONOMIST, from liberal to conservative, DENOUNCES RENT CONTROLS AS DESTRUCTIVE TO THE QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF HOUSING.
And you know that, don't you? (Every time I bring up housing economists, you run away from the thread).
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Old 06-08-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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Instead of simply referring to "tenants" in an RS discussion, you should always preface it and use the term "LOW-RENT STABILIZED tenants".
Because that group is the ONLY one which benefits from the RS system. The MAJORITY of tenants are NOT in that group and they are hurt by RS because market rents are pumped up by the system.

This point should be continually emphasized. Because the realization by the general public of this effect of RS, as well as the many other negatives of the RS system, is the only hope that the politicians will rid the people of NY of this albatross.
You bring up a good point. I will def use the term "low-rent stabilized" tenants going forward.
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Old 06-08-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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Ridiculous attack posts like this are designed only to inflame and not be constructive.
THE FACT IS THAT EVERY HOUSING ECONOMIST, from liberal to conservative, DENOUNCES RENT CONTROLS AS DESTRUCTIVE TO THE QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF HOUSING.
And you know that, don't you? (Every time I bring up housing economists, you run away from the thread).
That's so true. When you put up links of economist, liberal or conservative, denouncing Rent Controls in order to back up your claim, KK's mouth is shut. He conveniently disappears. Why? Because his socialist a$$ can't justify rent control and has no counter proof to back up his claim as to why rent controls are a good thing. All he has is his experience and his assumptions, which are worth ZERO!!!
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