Drug Testing Welfare and Unemployment Recipients (Union, Florida: rent stabilized apartments, insurance, attorneys)

[RandomPersonInNY]

Originally Posted by hilltopjay

Here's a thought...how about NOT smoking a joint? Is that so hard to do and understand?

I'm not saying smoke a joint because that is illegal. I can see the point of my post clearly went over your head. The point is that someone can be on "harder" drugs and still pass a drug test, which is a serious flaw in the system.

[hilltopjay]

Originally Posted by RandomPersonInNY

I'm not saying smoke a joint because that is illegal. I can see the point of my post clearly went over your head. The point is that someone can be on "harder" drugs and still pass a drug test, which is a serious flaw in the system.

No law is perfect. However drug testing welfare people is necessary to make sure our tax dollars are not contributing to the person's addiction. End of story.

[RandomPersonInNY]

Originally Posted by hilltopjay

No law is perfect. However drug testing welfare people is necessary to make sure our tax dollars are not contributing to the person's addiction. End of story.

I am actually agreeing with you that tax dollars should not be used for person's addictions. But you don't seem to comprehend that because of the flawed system, tax dollars would still be used for people with addictions, whether it be in the form of alcohol, pills, or cocaine. A person who may have smoked a joint with their OWN money before they went on welfare could fail a drug test because it stays in your system for so long. But a coke head can pass the test if they abstain for a day or two. That is what is wrong with the system. The drug testing system either needs to be seriously overhauled which would cost more tax dollars, or eliminated completely. What is so hard to understand about that?

This is like talking to a brick wall I and won't be commenting further on this subject.

[makossa]

Originally Posted by RandomPersonInNY

I am actually agreeing with you that tax dollars should not be used for person's addictions. But you don't seem to comprehend that because of the flawed system, tax dollars would still be used for people with addictions, whether it be in the form of alcohol, pills, or cocaine. A person who may have smoked a joint with their OWN money before they went on welfare could fail a drug test because it stays in your system for so long. But a coke head can pass the test if they abstain for a day or two. That is what is wrong with the system. The drug testing system either needs to be seriously overhauled which would cost more tax dollars, or eliminated completely. What is so hard to understand about that?

This is like talking to a brick wall I and won't be commenting further on this subject.

It would have to be random so they wouldn't know when it's coming.

[Miss J 74]

Originally Posted by makossa

It would have to be random so they wouldn't know when it's coming.

This.

The other thing is a urine test isn't foolproof. Even methadone clinics where you have to show up every day and submit a clean sample is not foolproof. How many people ask someone else to supply clean urine for them because they won't pass a drug test?

As for marijuana, if they made it legal already, it wouldn't be an issue. It's already legal for medicinal purposes.

[skilldeadly]

Smoking weed is yes, still illegal. I think it's not a major issue but if it's illegal, it's illegal. Plus, why are you spending money to get high when you could be using that on food or maybe supporting your child screaming in the other room?

Nothing is foolproof but we can agree we need to do everything we can to ensure that the leeches and drug addicts aren't abusing the system. Yes, people will fall through the cracks. We have to ensure random drug tests. No show up to this place at this time so they can try to fool the test. Someone shows up, hands you a container, they watch you the whole time, then they test. If anything shows up, it's reported. That may help with all these scammers trying to get synthetic pee or flushing.

[11KAP]

people are petty as ish.

[WildCardSteve]

It really isn't practical to prevent people from having children. Reproduction is a primary biological urge, sometimes superceding that towards survival (I've certainly done some poisonously stupid things while attempting to satisfy it)

I'm not terribly delighted with the idea of people on the dole popping out bambinos either, but, how would one prevent them from doing so?

Just about everything I can think of would be a really egregious assault on human dignity. Ever hear of the "Eugenics Movement?"

The cure is worse than the disease.

[Harlem resident]

Originally Posted by WildCardSteve

It really isn't practical to prevent people from having children. Reproduction is a primary biological urge, sometimes superceding that towards survival (I've certainly done some poisonously stupid things while attempting to satisfy it)

I'm not terribly delighted with the idea of people on the dole popping out bambinos either, but, how would one prevent them from doing so?

Just about everything I can think of would be a really egregious assault on human dignity. Ever hear of the "Eugenics Movement?"

The cure is worse than the disease.

I agree. You have stated it more clearly.

[Chava61]

In this economy many people have fallen on hard times and need government assistance when they haven't in the past. So demanding that these people take drug tests is a waste of taxpayers' money.