Marchers Protest NYPD's Stop-and-Frisk Tactics (appointed, apartment, lawyer)

[skilldeadly]

Originally Posted by likeminas

This is BS, and I say it not because sombody told me but rather from first hand experience.
The cops can do whatever they want. Including lying in order to search your person.

I was one time walking on Jaimaica ave and two cops in plaincloths stopped me and said 'hey you fit the description of a guy we're looking for, come this way, we gotta frisk you'

forget about 'witnessing a transaction' or any of that crap. They can and will do whatever they please.
It's naive to think otherwise.

And that's why stop and frisk doesn't work. I would have said no way, I didn't do anything wrong and you have given no reason for me to comply. I know that means I would be arrested but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be possible to put me in jail.

[likeminas]

Originally Posted by skilldeadly

And that's why stop and frisk doesn't work. I would have said no way, I didn't do anything wrong and you have given no reason for me to comply. I know that means I would be arrested but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be possible to put me in jail.

I asked them to show me the picture of 'the guy' but it was a 'verbal description' given to them at their precinct.

Spending the night in central booking on principle sounds noble and like the right thing to do but its not practial when you have to be at work the next morning.
Also wether you're convicted or not, the arrest stays in their database forever.
Not to mention that when a prospective employer asks in their application 'have you ever been arrested?' I would've have to answer yes, and then give a lengthy explanation that is was 'based on principle'.
So to avoid all of that I chose to comply and let them violate my privacy rights.

[Airborneguy]

Originally Posted by likeminas

This is BS, and I say it not because sombody told me but rather from first hand experience.
The cops can do whatever they want. Including lying in order to search your person.

I'm speaking to the LEGAL, court tested and proven justifications for street stops. Whatever you have experienced is anecdotal. IF the cops did something wrong, then they did something wrong, but calling the TRUTH "BS" is part of the problem we have here in NYC: the people don't actually know their REAL rights, could care less about learning them, and prefer to speak with emotion. What does this cause? The cops can do mostly anything they want because the public cannot put together a coherent defense of their own rights.

[steel7]

It would be embrassing to be stopped & search esp if you're innocent. Is the NYPD as bad as many say they are ?

[SeventhFloor]

I've gotten stopped and frisked twice since I moved on this side of Rockaway 3 years ago and I don't like it. I'm always nervous that they will plant something illegal on me just to get a collar.

[nybbler]

Originally Posted by skilldeadly

And that's why stop and frisk doesn't work. I would have said no way, I didn't do anything wrong and you have given no reason for me to comply. I know that means I would be arrested but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be possible to put me in jail.

Yes, it is. Remember, what the cop says is true, as far as the system goes. Unless you get Judge Raffaele, maybe. I would have said "no way" too, but know that if you do, you're going to get thrown to the ground, handcuffed, searched anyway, and spend some time in jail.

(And since I've already been arrested, I don't have to worry about saying so on job applications. Though most ask about convictions, not arrests)

[steel7]

There are 3 threads on c-d about the stop & frisk starting in 5/2008. I didnt know anything about it until a few days ago. Its good to see people standing up for themselves & lets hope the NYPD gets sued big time for a violation of peoples right. They are totally disregarding the constitution of the united states (unforutnately many public servants do).

[joshd9124]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

I've gotten stopped and frisked twice since I moved on this side of Rockaway 3 years ago and I don't like it. I'm always nervous that they will plant something illegal on me just to get a collar.

Ive been stopped and frisked once in Canarsie and I thought the same thing I just hope they don't plant something on me

[likeminas]

Originally Posted by Airborneguy

I'm speaking to the LEGAL, court tested and proven justifications for street stops. Whatever you have experienced is anecdotal. IF the cops did something wrong, then they did something wrong, but calling the TRUTH "BS" is part of the problem we have here in NYC: the people don't actually know their REAL rights, could care less about learning them, and prefer to speak with emotion. What does this cause? The cops can do mostly anything they want because the public cannot put together a coherent defense of their own rights.

Apparently you watch too much Law & Order and think the cops will immediately stop when you say the magic phrase 'I dont consent to any searches'.
If you do say it, they will laugh to your face, then they will throw you to the ground put a knee on your back and handcuff you like a criminal. And if they are real douchbags, they will plant something on you, then you're completely f#@ked.
Again to think they cant do that, its naive at best.

[SobroGuy]

If anyone thinks this stop and frisk is a good policy because they have a 3% (or whatever it is) rate of finding guns should also be for police searching your home because the paint is peeling, the flowers are not watered, or there is litter in front of the house.

There is no doubt if they search 600,000 houses they will find drugs, and guns probably around the same 3% rate. Is that a good police policy? They will get some guns off the street after all!

The question is this: Is peeling paint in your home a reason for cops to break in and search? The answer is of course no. Yet those who support stop and frisk believe that if you are randomly walking to the store, you can be stop and frisked for no reason (other than the "peeling paint" nonsense reason). It is a fundamental societal problem, we know it does not work, and is no more legal than searching a home because of peeling paint.

So why do some people support this? Because it ain't happening to them.