Brownsville is seriously messed UP!!!! (New York, Harrison: low income, lease, construction)

[Bronxguyanese]

Originally Posted by Harlem resident

Anyone know why ?

You forgot meth production!

[Harlem resident]

Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese

You forgot meth production!

I didn't forget, but I tend to associate that with white trash populations.
Is that wrong ? My drug world knowledge may not be what it should be ...

[SobroGuy]

SuperWario:

For the 10 MILLIONTH TIME Rikers Island is included in the 41st Precinct:

COBA

"After you have received medical treatment and finished your tour of duty, stop at the local police precinct, which is the 41st precinct for the cases that occur on Rikers Island, and immediately file charges against the inmate to ensure the inmate is arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

And this is why Hunts Point numbers are always skewed and inaccurate. If there are 10 murders in Rikers, but only 1 in Hunts Point, the murder total is 11 in Hunts Point..which is totally bogus. They do not differentiate in the crime stats which crimes/murders/assaults etc occur in the prison. So keep that in mind. If you do a simply google you will see quite clearly that Rikers is part of the 41st.

And for the 100th time, a 58% drop in murder IS SIGNIFICANT, regardless of whether every other nabe drops 80%. It is lower than every other nabe but still SIGNIFICANT and not just a "marginal" drop. Stop being ridiculous dude.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

SuperWario:

For the 10 MILLIONTH TIME Rikers Island is included in the 41st Precinct:

COBA

"After you have received medical treatment and finished your tour of duty, stop at the local police precinct, which is the 41st precinct for the cases that occur on Rikers Island, and immediately file charges against the inmate to ensure the inmate is arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

And this is why Hunts Point numbers are always skewed and inaccurate. If there are 10 murders in Rikers, but only 1 in Hunts Point, the murder total is 11 in Hunts Point..which is totally bogus. They do no differentiate in the crime stats which crimes/murders/assaults etc occur in the prison. So keep that in mind.

You dimwit, you file charges on inmates in the 41st precinct, but where the hell does it say it counts towards it's crime statistics? No where. Rikers Island has it's own police unit, and it's own statistics.

And for the trillionth time, if a neighborhood has dropped 58%, while all others around it dropped 80%, then yes, it is marginal, and something is wrong there.

[SuperMario]

"Effective immediately", as in July 20th 2012, which clearly it clearly states on the first line, so what is it now? All of a sudden they are going to count Riker's island stats with the 41st? Haha.

Let me ask you further, do they also include the 11,355 inmates as part of Hunts Point's population? lol It has a Queens zip code, and it belongs to a Queens community board.

[SuperMario]

You know who tallies Rikers Island crime?

DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS:

DOC Statistics - Department of Correction

Have fun.

[SobroGuy]

I give up.

[urbanintllctl]

I wonder if any one in this forum remembers what Brownsville used to be like. I understand it was a flourishing Jewish community, just like Dorchester, Roxbury, and Mattapan in the Boston area. The writers Alfred Kazin and Norman Podhoretz were born and grew up there. I think it used to be like what Queens now is. Well, autre temps, autre moeurs.

Originally Posted by deevel79

Let me start of by saying that I'm a native New Yorker. Born and raised in Manhattan's lower east side. I have been to pretty much every neighborhood both good and bad within the 5 boroughs but last week for the first time while taking a detour due to heavy traffic I passed through what I was told at the time was Brownsville Brooklyn. I recall being at the intersection of Rockaway and Sutter and looking around while saying to myself...."where the hell am I?" It was as if every single person in the neighborhood was outside doing nothing but watching everyone who passed by. Every single store front had at least 6-7 guys just standing in front. While driving down Sutter I come to a stop at a red light and see some guy being carried out on a stretcher from a chicken place on the corner with blood running down his face as if he was cut or stabbed. Continued down Sutter and saw more of the same block after block. It was as if everyone was up to no good! Sorry if I offend anyone who's from there but this neighborhood was pretty horrific looking! Even the cops looked scared while patrolling on foot 5 deep all walking very close together. It was as if the people (mainly black males) were like wolves just waiting around to attack thier prey! Now I've been to some rough looking neighborhoods but this one definitely takes the cake! Sad part is, there's people from there that are actually proud of having that title!

[checkmatechamp13]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

I could go on and on. As you can see, Brownsville has seen the least improvement. Now, I avoided areas that are gentrified/gentrifying. So what has held Brownsville back?

Well, this is just an observation, but I notice that the other precincts you mentioned don't have a whole lot of housing projects. Even East NY doesn't have a high concentration of projects (at least it's it not like Brownsville where they take up like 1/4 of the neighborhood). Yeah, I know the other areas have a lot of dense tenement housing, but still.

[Klassyhk]

Originally Posted by deevel79

Let me start of by saying that I'm a native New Yorker. Born and raised in Manhattan's lower east side. I have been to pretty much every neighborhood both good and bad within the 5 boroughs but last week for the first time while taking a detour due to heavy traffic I passed through what I was told at the time was Brownsville Brooklyn. I recall being at the intersection of Rockaway and Sutter and looking around while saying to myself...."where the hell am I?" It was as if every single person in the neighborhood was outside doing nothing but watching everyone who passed by. Every single store front had at least 6-7 guys just standing in front. While driving down Sutter I come to a stop at a red light and see some guy being carried out on a stretcher from a chicken place on the corner with blood running down his face as if he was cut or stabbed. Continued down Sutter and saw more of the same block after block. It was as if everyone was up to no good! Sorry if I offend anyone who's from there but this neighborhood was pretty horrific looking! Even the cops looked scared while patrolling on foot 5 deep all walking very close together. It was as if the people (mainly black males) were like wolves just waiting around to attack thier prey! Now I've been to some rough looking neighborhoods but this one definitely takes the cake! Sad part is, there's people from there that are actually proud of having that title!

Heck, what you've described seeing block after block could easily be Harlem. Brownsville is seriously messed up because many of the Black people who live there are messed up! We have to stop trying to tiptoe around the truth. Brick, mortar, and pavement are inanimate objects and can not mess up a neighborhood because they do not have personality (certain not personality disorders) traits or destructive (as well as self-destructive) behaviors and tendencies.