NYC Gentrification Timeline

[UsAll]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

Point is, this alleged "gentrification" has been occurring long before the "evil" Hipsters of the early 2000s. It has been a part of NYC history for generations, and nothing new. People have been complaining about getting "priced out" of "their neighborhoods" since neighborhoods existed.....that's what people do..complain, blame others. I take little stock in the nonstop complaints as it has never ceased..if it isn't these people complaining, it's someone else. Rents go up, expenses go up..that's life...there are no guarantees or promises that you will live where you want, forever, at the price you determine. Nor is it "your neighborhood" anymore than the guy who just moved in next door.

Although the above-highlighted quote of yours was posted over two years ago, it is SO true . . . today and likely forever more. Even if I don't personally like that it is true (and I don't like that it is true), the fact is that it is true . . . especially the part where you say ". . . there are no guarantees or promises that you will live where you want, forever, at the price you determine" and then say "Nor is it "your neighborhood" anymore than the guy who just moved in next door." It is demoralizing to me that it is true but that is just the way it is.

It's like the saying that says: "God grant me the strength to accept those things I can't change, the courage to change those things that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference". The most important part is "and the wisdom to know the difference". That is, to recognize those things that you can change and then those things that you can't change. Do we expect the Lower East Side (Delancey St., the Bowery, et al) to remain looking like it did at the beginning of the 1900s (slummy, gritty, broken-down, dilapidated) and to preserve it that way forever just for the sake of nostalgia? Do we expect the deep South Bronx (the "Fort Apache" South Bronx) to have remained the way it was forever more . . . just to preserve a nostalgic image? Although sometimes I do wish that there would be a greater degree of sensitivity of historic preservation and preserving character in the course of gentrification taking its course.


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[colombianbeef]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

It's reached it's limits in certain areas though. I live in Spanish Harlem. In some ways I like gentrification too. However, the housing projects here limit how far that can go and they just can't move out all those people.

Chicago, which destroyed it's housing projects, just moved those people out to the suburbs and certain other towns that became NEW GHETTOES.

Just out of curiousity why do you feel the Caribbeans are rascist?

Gentrification isn't whites claiming those areas of NYC. Whites moving into certain hood parts of NYC are people who have to live in NYC because of their careers/professional opportunities. But not everyone moving into these neighborhoods are white. There are professional Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.

It's easier for some people to simplify it to White gentrifiers, people don't like delving into the layers. I've met tons of non-white hipsters who came from other states and countries and live in those same gentrified neighborhoods, they still pay the same prices any other newcomer will pay, working in the same industries, wearing the same skinny jeans at the same coffee shops.

What about Greenpoint (Polish), Astoria (Greek), Ridgewood (Italians) all neighborhoods with existing white populations that are being priced out or are cashing out of the area. the Village has been white for a long time now but the economic classes have changed over the years and now it's whites but from the upper end of the $ scale pricing out other whites with less $.

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by colombianbeef

It's easier for some people to simplify it to White gentrifiers, people don't like delving into the layers. I've met tons of non-white hipsters who came from other states and countries and live in those same gentrified neighborhoods, they still pay the same prices any other newcomer will pay, working in the same industries, wearing the same skinny jeans at the same coffee shops.

What about Greenpoint (Polish), Astoria (Greek), Ridgewood (Italians) all neighborhoods with existing white populations that are being priced out or are cashing out of the area. the Village has been white for a long time now but the economic classes have changed over the years and now it's whites but from the upper end of the $ scale pricing out other whites with less $.

The Village is pretty much past tense, as wealthy whites have long priced out poorer whites. There may be a few rent controlled apartments left but as older people die or move into nursing homes those units will be gut renovated and made market rates.

Hells Kitchen and Yorkville also had existing white populations that cashed out of the area.

[Railman96]

(Apologize if this was posted before) This seems interesting.

Sustainable Communities - New York City Department of City Planning

I wonder how that'll play out considering ENY's proximity to its neighbor, VilleGhanistan (Brownsville)

Thoughts?