Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Yes. You're making a judgment about a whole city based on what may exist in part of the city. NYC has suburban parts, too. So why don't we call it suburban? And Atlanta has urban parts. So why don't we call it urban?
It's easier to generalize than explain the whole situation/picture.
It's easier to generalize than explain the whole situation/picture.
But that's just painting NYC with a broad brush. There are parts of NYC that are just as suburban as anywhere. It's amazing that these ridiculous stereotypes still persist about NYC in this day and age.
Why don't people defend their cities having urban qualities? When I was in high school, "urban" was not such a good thing. People called our schools "ghetto" and "garbage." So it seems like people would want to avoid the "urban" label.
People do that all the time on here. "I can get anything I want in walking distance, I don't need a car, public transit can get me anywhere, vibrancy, etc.." People brag about urban qualities on here more so than they are defending them.
Maybe in real life and back when you were a kid urban had a negative connotation, but this is CITY-Data, where the most urban cities are highly praised on these 2 sub-forums. This site doesn't reflect reality and the real world.
But that's just painting NYC with a broad brush. There are parts of NYC that are just as suburban as anywhere. It's amazing that these ridiculous stereotypes still persist about NYC in this day and age.
Agree, but NYC is hardly alone in being painted with a broad brush at all. EVERY city on here is. It's not anymore unfair to NYC as it is to pretty much every other city talked about on here. Considering how much NYC is praised on here you're probably not going to get much sympathy from anyone that doesn't already brag about or defend NYC.
People do that all the time on here. "I can get anything I want in walking distance, I don't need a car, public transit can get me anywhere, vibrancy, etc.." People brag about urban qualities on here more so than they are defending them.
Then why does "urban" still have such a negative connotation? "Urban" youth, for example, generally means poor, disadvantaged children who come from a single-parent family and read at a sub-par grade level. Will the children of newer, more affluent families also receive the appellation of "Inner City Youth?"
Agree, but NYC is hardly alone in being painted with a broad brush at all. EVERY city on here is. It's not anymore unfair to NYC as it is to pretty much every other city talked about on here. Considering how much NYC is praised on here you're probably not going to get much sympathy from anyone that doesn't already brag about or defend NYC.
But you would have to agree that NYC is the most stereotyped city on C-D though, right? All you hear is "Density, Density, Density." Well, there are parts of NYC that are not dense at all. And you hear "Transit, Transit, Transit!" Well, there are parts of NYC that have poor transit service. So it's rather unfair to say that NYC is "dense" and "urban" because there are many parts of the city that are neither dense nor urban.
If you have not lived in NYC, you really can't make any assessment of the city's suburbanity. Otherwise you're just stereotyping.
Then why does "urban" still have such a negative connotation? "Urban" youth, for example, generally means poor, disadvantaged children who come from a single-parent family and read at a sub-par grade level. Will the children of newer, more affluent families also receive the appellation of "Inner City Youth?"
On City-Data's General US and City vs City sub-forums it doesn't at all.
But you would have to agree that NYC is the most stereotyped city on C-D though, right? All you hear is "Density, Density, Density." Well, there are parts of NYC that are not dense at all. And you hear "Transit, Transit, Transit!" Well, there are parts of NYC that have poor transit service. So it's rather unfair to say that NYC is "dense" and "urban" because there are many parts of the city that are neither dense nor urban.
If you have not lived in NYC, you really can't make any assessment of the city's suburbanity. Otherwise you're just stereotyping.
It's the most talked about yes but don't really see it as being stereotyped at a higher rate more so than many other cities.
It's unfair to stereotype ANY city, NYC is not unique in this regard at all. We're kind of going in circles here at this point. I can probably start 20 different threads by replacing NYC with a number of cities like SF, Chicago, etc.. then with other cities by flipping urban and suburban.
It's the most talked about yes but don't really see it as being stereotyped at a higher rate more so than many other cities.
It is. You never hear about anyone highlighting the suburban aspects of NYC. People just assume it's urban. Do you think those people have ever taken the time to ride around the Belt Parkway and explore the low density areas of the city? Doubt it.
Like I said, you really can't make any judgment about NYC unless you've spent significant amounts of time in Tottenville, Jamaica Estates, Pelham Bay, Marine Park, etc. It's foolish to say that NYC is urban by going around Manhattan, the Bronx, most of Brooklyn and western Queens. This city is way too big to stereotype. It takes a while to really understand how suburban it truly is.
You have to be careful about equating suburban with low or lower density. For example, the most dense municipality in Upstate NY is the village of Kenmore, a suburb of Buffalo that is one of the top 100 most dense communities in the U.S.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
