Worst Project in NYC (New York, Union: roughest, living, stats)

[SeventhFloor]

wow a lot of individual theories on this thread. well let me clear things up for everybody, from somebody who spends a lot of time in the projects, as some of the regular posters on this forum know that i do:

east new york does NOT have a high density concentration of public housing. east new york is a large neighborhood and most of it is 1-3 family houses. some apartment buildings mostly in the western part of the neighborhood. then you have meadowwood (formerly fairfield towers) and starrett city, and linden plaza (which is really in the neighborhood of city line, but is considered eny) thats it for regular buidlings. then for projects, you have pink, the bamas, cypress, and fiorentino on van siclen and miller, then you have cozine houses, wortman houses and linden houses south of linden blvd. if you look on a map, you will see that its really not a high concentration given the size of the neighborhood.

now i spend a lot of time in the projects, and there are hard working people there. most of the gang members i see are young kids, high school age. bottom line is people are there for a reason and its because they are not as fortunate as others. misery loves company however, so if you lump an economically deprived group of people together, of course problems will arise (thanks le corbusier)!

projects do not automatically breed gangs.
there are plenty of communities across the USA that are single family homes where gangs are an issue. look at long island. you dont have to go far.

[italian23]

anyone stupid enough to go in a project deserves whatever they get. The places are dumps and the people are criminals. Why try to disgiuse eveything?

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by italian23

anyone stupid enough to go in a project deserves whatever they get. The places are dumps and the people are criminals. Why try to disgiuse eveything?

Yes.. Italians suffer from generalizations too, do you believe all of them? Thought so.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by cyrusjul

^ What do you mean? According to that map, Brownsville had 20 (or 28?) murders and East New York had 31. East Harlem had 10 and ABC had 2 (?). I know there are housing projects in those two Brooklyn neighborhood. But I always though that the two Manhattan neighborhoods had way more housing project buildings. So where am I wrong? The two Brooklyn neighborhoods have less housing project buildings and more crime and way more dangerous. Also I have been in East Harlem 100s of times. It hasn't scare me yet.

Do you know how big the Brownsville and East NY precincts are?

Those 10 for East Harlem are an enormous amount considering the small area that it covers. Ditto for ABC. If you calculate the murder rate for East Harlem as compared to the Ville and the East, East Harlem comes out higher. And Frankly, I could care less if it scares you or not. That is your opinion. The fact is that East Harlem and ABC city are more dangerous than Brownsville and East NY. These are indisputable facts.

[SuperMario]

Seventh, I think this constitutes as high.

[edit] Public Housing Projects

• There are eleven NYCHA developments located in East New York.[3]

1. Belmont-Sutter Area; three 3-story buildings.
2. Boulevard Houses; eighteen buildings, 6 and 14-stories tall.
3. Cypress Hills Houses; fifteen, 7-story buildings.
4. East New York City Line; thirty-three, 3-story buildings.
5. Fiorentino Plaza; eight, 4-story buildings.
6. Linden Houses; nineteen buildings, 8 and 14-stories.
7. Long Island Baptist Houses; four, 6-story rehabilitated tenement buildings.
8. Louis Heaton Pink Houses; twenty-two, 8-story buildings.
9. Unity Plaza (Sites 4, 5A, 6, 7, 11, 12, 27); five, 6-story buildings.
10. Unity Plaza (Sites 17,24,25A); three buildings, 6-stories tall.
11. Vandalia Avenue; two, 10-story buildings.

This too.

[edit] Low income public housing projects

• There are eighteen NYCHA developments located in Brownsville.[3]

1. 104-14 Tapscott Street; one 4-story building.
2. Brownsville Houses; twenty-seven buildings, 6 and 7-stories tall
3. Glenmore Plaza; four buildings, 10, 18 and 24-stories tall.
4. Howard Avenue; five buildings, 3-stories tall.
5. Howard Avenue-Park Place; eight buildings, 3-stories tall.
6. Howard Houses; ten buildings, 7 and 13-stories tall.
7. Hughes Apartments; three, 22-story buildings.
8. Sethlow Houses; four buildings, 17 and 18-stories tall.
9. Marcus Garvey (Group A); three buildings, 6 and 14-stories tall.
10. Ocean Hill-Brownsville; five rehabilitated tenement buildings, 4-stories tall.
11. Prospect Plaza Houses, three vacant 12-story buildings in the process of being rehabilitated. (Really in the Ocean Hill section of Brooklyn Community Board 16)
12. Reverend Randolph Brown; two, 6-story buildings.
13. Sutter Avenue-Union Street; three rehabilitated tenement buildings, 4 and 6-stories tall.
14. Tapscott Street Rehab; eight, 4-story rehabilitated tenement buildings.
15. Tilden Houses; eight, 16-story buildings.
16. Van Dyke I; 22 buildings, 3 and 14-stories tall.
17. Van Dyke II; one 14-story building.
18. Woodson Houses; two buildings, 10 and 25-stories tall.

You want ghetto neighborhoods with low concentration of Housing projects? Try:

University Heights, Fordham, Fordham Bedford, Tremont, Morris Heights, East Tremont, West Farms, Highbridge, Washington Heights, Inwood, West Harlem, Flatbush, East Flatbush etc

Maybe West Harlem has a little too much but the others have 3 or less. Thats low concentration. East NY is not in that disscussion.

[R32]

There are 24 separate projects in east harlems 2.2 mile radius, and according to wikipedia east harlem has the largest geographical concentration of housing projects in the entire country. That doesn't make it more dangerous than ENY or Brownsville by a long shot.

[cyrusjul]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Do you know how big the Brownsville and East NY precincts are?

Those 10 for East Harlem are an enormous amount considering the small area that it covers. Ditto for ABC. If you calculate the murder rate for East Harlem as compared to the Ville and the East, East Harlem comes out higher. And Frankly, I could care less if it scares you or not. That is your opinion. The fact is that East Harlem and ABC city are more dangerous than Brownsville and East NY. These are indisputable facts.

Aren't we talking about how Housing project buildings attract more crime then areas where there are less or no housing projects? You keep saying housing projects attract more crime. That is what you keep saying. Well, Like is been said East Harlem, ABC is bombarded with public housing towers, so according to you the crime should be way higher! But is not that high. The more spread out neighborhoods in Brooklyn, Brownsville and East New York are way more dangeorus for the population there. You can't see that?

[italian23]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Seventh, I think this constitutes as high.

[edit] Public Housing Projects

• There are eleven NYCHA developments located in East New York.[3]

1. Belmont-Sutter Area; three 3-story buildings.
2. Boulevard Houses; eighteen buildings, 6 and 14-stories tall.
3. Cypress Hills Houses; fifteen, 7-story buildings.
4. East New York City Line; thirty-three, 3-story buildings.
5. Fiorentino Plaza; eight, 4-story buildings.
6. Linden Houses; nineteen buildings, 8 and 14-stories.
7. Long Island Baptist Houses; four, 6-story rehabilitated tenement buildings.
8. Louis Heaton Pink Houses; twenty-two, 8-story buildings.
9. Unity Plaza (Sites 4, 5A, 6, 7, 11, 12, 27); five, 6-story buildings.
10. Unity Plaza (Sites 17,24,25A); three buildings, 6-stories tall.
11. Vandalia Avenue; two, 10-story buildings.

This too.

[edit] Low income public housing projects

• There are eighteen NYCHA developments located in Brownsville.[3]

1. 104-14 Tapscott Street; one 4-story building.
2. Brownsville Houses; twenty-seven buildings, 6 and 7-stories tall
3. Glenmore Plaza; four buildings, 10, 18 and 24-stories tall.
4. Howard Avenue; five buildings, 3-stories tall.
5. Howard Avenue-Park Place; eight buildings, 3-stories tall.
6. Howard Houses; ten buildings, 7 and 13-stories tall.
7. Hughes Apartments; three, 22-story buildings.
8. Sethlow Houses; four buildings, 17 and 18-stories tall.
9. Marcus Garvey (Group A); three buildings, 6 and 14-stories tall.
10. Ocean Hill-Brownsville; five rehabilitated tenement buildings, 4-stories tall.
11. Prospect Plaza Houses, three vacant 12-story buildings in the process of being rehabilitated. (Really in the Ocean Hill section of Brooklyn Community Board 16)
12. Reverend Randolph Brown; two, 6-story buildings.
13. Sutter Avenue-Union Street; three rehabilitated tenement buildings, 4 and 6-stories tall.
14. Tapscott Street Rehab; eight, 4-story rehabilitated tenement buildings.
15. Tilden Houses; eight, 16-story buildings.
16. Van Dyke I; 22 buildings, 3 and 14-stories tall.
17. Van Dyke II; one 14-story building.
18. Woodson Houses; two buildings, 10 and 25-stories tall.

You want ghetto neighborhoods with low concentration of Housing projects? Try:

University Heights, Fordham, Fordham Bedford, Tremont, Morris Heights, East Tremont, West Farms, Highbridge, Washington Heights, Inwood, West Harlem, Flatbush, East Flatbush etc

Maybe West Harlem has a little too much but the others have 3 or less. Thats low concentration. East NY is not in that disscussion.

Thank you enlightening our little transplants. They see the world through rose colored glasses.

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by italian23

Thank you enlightening our little transplants. They see the world through rose colored glasses.

Most of the people arguing aren't even transplants!!

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by cyrusjul

Aren't we talking about how Housing project buildings attract more crime then areas where there are less or no housing projects? You keep saying housing projects attract more crime. That is what you keep saying. Well, Like is been said East Harlem, ABC is bombarded with public housing towers, so according to you the crime should be way higher! But is not that high. The more spread out neighborhoods in Brooklyn, Brownsville and East New York are way more dangeorus for the population there. You can't see that?

Cyrus, your getting on my nerves.

How is East NY and Browsnville more dangerous than East Harlem and ABC? Prove it to me.

I showed you the crime map. C'mon man. Stop with your biased point of view. You may have not tought East Harlem was bad, but that's irrelevant. The crime stats show that indeed East Harlem is worse than any of the Brooklyn nabes, aswell as ABC. Did you even look at the map? Brownsville and East NY are really overrated in these forums. Ok, they're bad. But they are not the worst. They are huge, thats why they get 20+ homicides yearly.