The Decline of the Bronx (Westbury, Charlotte: to live, shop, gangs)

[Sam82]

I agree with Guy. If the projects could become mixed income, they would be a lot better. There would be more money to keep them cleaner. I think there would be a problem initially attracting middle income people to the pjs, especially certain ones. I have known plenty of people who qualified (making mid 30K) and would not even consider the pjs. One friend of mine was perpetually homeless for 3 years, but would not even consider the option of public housing.

As I have stated before, there is nothing wrong with the buildings that some TLC could not fix. But I know that I would not live in the pjs because of who lives there and the nasty conditions. Not as long as I still have other options. But I think that is part of the problem of the pjs. Many of the people living there do not have options because rents everywhere are too high.

[Fred314X]

...And there's the crux of the matter. You either have subsidized housing, or market rate housing. Someone is going to get the short end of the stick whichever way you go. I believe we can paraphrase President Lincoln: you can't please all the people all the time.

[BronxPride]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

...And there's the crux of the matter. You either have subsidized housing, or market rate housing. Someone is going to get the short end of the stick whichever way you go. I believe we can paraphrase President Lincoln: you can't please all the people all the time.

You can have market rate housing with the government subsidizing the poor with section 8 vouchers or other programs. The question is will the government have enough money to keep subsidizing housing.

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by BronxPride

The question is will the government have enough money to keep subsidizing housing.

Oh, I'm pretty sure the government has enough money. The government has enough money for pretty much anything it decides to do. The question is, does the government have any interest in subsidizing housing.

[BronxPride]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

Oh, I'm pretty sure the government has enough money. The government has enough money for pretty much anything it decides to do. The question is, does the government have any interest in subsidizing housing.

There's deficit spending right now. I agree with you though, it will continue if there is interest in subsidizing housing.

[ontheGtrain]

The question is as a country do we want to keep people in the pjs for decades. Generation after generation. 15 year old girls with babies who have 30 year old grand mothers with no father to be found. The pjs are not good places to grow up. Who wants to go in the stairwell in their building and see and smell human waste. I say give a person a hand up but stop with the hand outs. The libs only support this crap because it makes them feel good. It enslaves the people who live in the pjs.

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by ontheGtrain

The question is as a country do we want to keep people in the pjs for decades.

Bingo! And as a country, it will have to be answered. Until then, don't expect too much in the way of a solution.

[Guywithacause]

It is clear that the changes that are happening in the city today, and the historic low crime rates, are due in large part to the transformation of subsidized housing. The city in fact has been quietly transforming the housing projects from a dumping ground of the poor and the city's undesirables, to working class communities. Although they have had some success, alot of work needs to be done.

Because affordable housing is such a serious issue in this city, and will be for the forseeable future, I would not be surpirsed to see some changes regarding the housing projects within the next 5 years. It is the 800 pound gorilla in the room, and the last and most powerful way for the city to transform itself. Once the few remaining susbtantial lots are sold and developed...which should happen in the 2-5 years, there is only one place left to turn to: the housing projects.

[BronxPride]

It's either handouts or extreme poverty like in third-world countries. I don't think we're prepared for that.

[jts2003]

The Bronx can't be on that much of a decline because the top 20 threads on this site are about the Bronx. There sure is alot of interest for such a undesirable area. LOL