The Decline of the Bronx (Newburgh, Victor: school, landlords, quality of life)
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I suppose ignorance is bliss. I had zero issues growing up in the Bronx. I grew up in a middle class environment. There were still some Whites left, along with Blacks, Hispanics, and mixed race people. I sure didn't feel left out. I guess thanks to the varieties of ethnicities that surrounded me, I was used to multiculturalism before it became en vogue.
The tone of this topic is that the exodus of middle classed Whites to the burbs = demise of a place. I believe that's bullcrap. If middle classed whites are replaced by hard working middle classed people of color, I really could care less. And yes, there are many people of color who are hardworking, make good money, and are entitled to live in nice neighborhoods. The problems the Bronx had was the inordinate amount of PJs, commercial, the highway, and I think good leadership.
these lowlifes messed up the neighborhoods, and they will never be the same again.........
I agree 100%. However, I think that it can return to its old glory days to a certain degree sort of if stricter and more conservative laws were passed to keep these people in check.
-Stricter welfare laws that puts a cap on how long they can be on welfare.
-City needs to give out less Section 8 vouchers. Offering too many vouchers promotes and encourages a certain demographic to keep residing in the Bronx or in NY in general despite the fact that many of them are the ones who contribute and created the riff raff in the area.
-A gradual phase out of the rent stabilization system that helps keeps undesirable tenants put in their current apartments by legally forcing landlords to automatically offer them a renewal lease despite the fact that they either sell drugs, do drugs, loiter/hangout, vandalize property with graffiti or are a nuisance in general that degrades the neighborhood.
-Rezoning laws similar to the rezoning laws pass under Guilliani in Time Square where porn shops where kicked out and forced to go elsewhere which ultimately made Time Square more safe and less gritty looking which encouraged the disney store to take residence which other big stores followed.
With the Bronx, they would need to rezone and remove all or majority of liquor stores, many bodegas especially the ones that sell "loosies" (single cigarettes) and the ones that specifically market and promote to the "ghetto" crowd which adds fuel to the fire such as cold beer, cigarettes, phillies, white owls, dutch masters, out of state $5 pack of newport, etc.
This is just the tip of the iceberg...I have more ideas that would help the Bronx prosper and cleanse the Bronx from the "bad apples".
the bronx needs a dubai like effort to get it back on track. And i dont think thats too far-fetched. Developers will soon realise, that outside of manhattan, the bronx is the most accesible borough.
I agree 100%. However, I think that it can return to its old glory days to a certain degree sort of if stricter and more conservative laws were passed to keep these people in check.
-Stricter welfare laws that puts a cap on how long they can be on welfare.
-City needs to give out less Section 8 vouchers. Offering too many vouchers promotes and encourages a certain demographic to keep residing in the Bronx or in NY in general despite the fact that many of them are the ones who contribute and created the riff raff in the area.
-A gradual phase out of the rent stabilization system that helps keeps undesirable tenants put in their current apartments by legally forcing landlords to automatically offer them a renewal lease despite the fact that they either sell drugs, do drugs, loiter/hangout, vandalize property with graffiti or are a nuisance in general that degrades the neighborhood.
-Rezoning laws similar to the rezoning laws pass under Guilliani in Time Square where porn shops where kicked out and forced to go elsewhere which ultimately made Time Square more safe and less gritty looking which encouraged the disney store to take residence which other big stores followed.
With the Bronx, they would need to rezone and remove all or majority of liquor stores, many bodegas especially the ones that sell "loosies" (single cigarettes) and the ones that specifically market and promote to the "ghetto" crowd which adds fuel to the fire such as cold beer, cigarettes, phillies, white owls, dutch masters, out of state $5 pack of newport, etc.
This is just the tip of the iceberg...I have more ideas that would help the Bronx prosper and cleanse the Bronx from the "bad apples".
What, you want to make my hood into Staten Island?
I, for one, like it the way it is. That's why I live here.
i lived in SoBro for a while and across from a precinct that shall remain nameless. it was more similar to living by a gossip-mongering frat house than a police station. i can clearly understand why people in SoBro have a highly skeptical opinion of law enforcement. i would even say certain cops/det are not trustworthy. the worst i saw...two times i witnessed grown men (white, of course) chasing minority teenage boys down the street or screaming at them "get out of here". it would NEVER be accepted on the UES, or almost anywhere but a marginalized impoverished community. shame on them - and to this day i regret not filing complaints about these cases, so shame on me too. i'm so glad i no longer live there.
I agree 100%. However, I think that it can return to its old glory days to a certain degree sort of if stricter and more conservative laws were passed to keep these people in check.
-Stricter welfare laws that puts a cap on how long they can be on welfare.
-City needs to give out less Section 8 vouchers. Offering too many vouchers promotes and encourages a certain demographic to keep residing in the Bronx or in NY in general despite the fact that many of them are the ones who contribute and created the riff raff in the area.
-A gradual phase out of the rent stabilization system that helps keeps undesirable tenants put in their current apartments by legally forcing landlords to automatically offer them a renewal lease despite the fact that they either sell drugs, do drugs, loiter/hangout, vandalize property with graffiti or are a nuisance in general that degrades the neighborhood.
-Rezoning laws similar to the rezoning laws pass under Guilliani in Time Square where porn shops where kicked out and forced to go elsewhere which ultimately made Time Square more safe and less gritty looking which encouraged the disney store to take residence which other big stores followed.
With the Bronx, they would need to rezone and remove all or majority of liquor stores, many bodegas especially the ones that sell "loosies" (single cigarettes) and the ones that specifically market and promote to the "ghetto" crowd which adds fuel to the fire such as cold beer, cigarettes, phillies, white owls, dutch masters, out of state $5 pack of newport, etc.
This is just the tip of the iceberg...I have more ideas that would help the Bronx prosper and cleanse the Bronx from the "bad apples".
You're right on some of the points here, but.... how exactly is cutting ghetto people off from their loosies and blunts going to fix the neighborhood again? And closing all liquor stores would be absolutely absurd.
i lived in SoBro for a while and across from a precinct that shall remain nameless. it was more similar to living by a gossip-mongering frat house than a police station. i can clearly understand why people in SoBro have a highly skeptical opinion of law enforcement. i would even say certain cops/det are not trustworthy. the worst i saw...two times i witnessed grown men (white, of course) chasing minority teenage boys down the street or screaming at them "get out of here". it would NEVER be accepted on the UES, or almost anywhere but a marginalized impoverished community. shame on them - and to this day i regret not filing complaints about these cases, so shame on me too. i'm so glad i no longer live there.
I have nothing but good things to say about the 40th (where I work) and the 44th (where I live)
It's easy to bash the cops - I've had my share of problems with them, esp. the younger less experienced ones. But, they've achieved some pretty good results reducing crime around here, and I don't envy them their job sitting on the garbage can of society for what amounts to pretty crappy $.
You're right on some of the points here, but.... how exactly is cutting ghetto people off from their loosies and blunts going to fix the neighborhood again? And closing all liquor stores would be absolutely absurd.
If loosies (which is illegal btw), phillie blunts thats used as rolling paper for weed, beer and liquor is easily accessed by just turning the corner in your "hood" then those stores are catering and contributing to the "ghettoness" of the neighborhood. It makes it too convineniant for them and encourages that behavior and habit.
Now imagine these people having to troop across town to get their phillies, loosies and beer, just the thought of having to jump through hoops to get these things is enough to deter such habits or lessen the frequency they use and abuse it.
Why would closing all liquor stores in the "hood" be absurd? Explain that to me because I don't think it's absurd.
Why do you think there are NO gun shops in the "Hood"? Same concept.
Last edited by victorfox; 01-25-2010 at 06:05 PM..
[quote=victorfox;12570266]I agree 100%. However, I think that it can return to its old glory days to a certain degree sort of if stricter and more conservative laws were passed to keep these people in check.
-Stricter welfare laws that puts a cap on how long they can be on welfare.
There IS a cap - 24 months except for certain circumstances.
"-City needs to give out less Section 8 vouchers. Offering too many vouchers promotes and encourages a certain demographic to keep residing in the Bronx or in NY in general despite the fact that many of them are the ones who contribute and created the riff raff in the area."
There's nothing wrong with housing vouchers in a city as ridiculously expensive as NY. And you are aware that there are "good" working and middle class people who have vouchers and not just the "hood rats", right?
"-A gradual phase out of the rent stabilization system that helps keeps undesirable tenants put in their current apartments by legally forcing landlords to automatically offer them a renewal lease despite the fact that they either sell drugs, do drugs, loiter/hangout, vandalize property with graffiti or are a nuisance in general that degrades the neighborhood."
This is happening already since the board raises the rents every year. I believe once an apartment hits $2000 it becomes marketrate. regardless though rent stabilization isnt the problem. every one has to have a place to live whether you think they are "ghetto" or not.
"-Rezoning laws similar to the rezoning laws pass under Guilliani in Time Square where porn shops where kicked out and forced to go elsewhere which ultimately made Time Square more safe and less gritty looking which encouraged the disney store to take residence which other big stores followed. "
and now it's an oversanitized, commercialized playground for tourists.
would that be a good idea for the bronx? no.
"With the Bronx, they would need to rezone and remove all or majority of liquor stores, many bodegas especially the ones that sell "loosies" (single cigarettes) and the ones that specifically market and promote to the "ghetto" crowd which adds fuel to the fire such as cold beer, cigarettes, phillies, white owls, dutch masters, out of state $5 pack of newport, etc."
This is just lunacy.
"This is just the tip of the iceberg...I have more ideas that would help the Bronx prosper and cleanse the Bronx from the "bad apples"."
Thank God none of them will come into fruition
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living in SoBro
