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Old 08-28-2013, 10:09 PM
 
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From a Bronx standard, Bedford Park and Norwood are pretty decent and stable areas. I will say that the more time has passed, the less "white" BP and Norwood has gotten and the hood culture as a result further penetrates these neighborhoods making look and feel less desirable.

I have noticed also that throughout the years more and more Section 8 and program tenants moving into these areas. That's never a good thing as that compounds and concentrates poverty which translates to an overall decline in quality of life for the area. If landlords would just stop renting to these people, and instead rent to working professionals, BP and Norwood would be much more desirable.


LOL!!!!! You are always KILLING section 8 tenants on here!! .
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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Also, due to the Webster Ave rezoning, the city has tried to put up supportive housing that contain homeless people, people with AIDS, and people with mental illness in the Norwood/Bedford park area which if successful, would help ruin these neighborhoods. Also of residents are fighting to stop it but if they fail, it would be a huge blow to the desirability of these communities.
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:15 AM
 
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From a Bronx standard, Bedford Park and Norwood are pretty decent and stable areas. I will say that the more time has passed, the less "white" BP and Norwood has gotten and the hood culture as a result further penetrates these neighborhoods making look and feel less desirable.

I have noticed also that throughout the years more and more Section 8 and program tenants moving into these areas. That's never a good thing as that compounds and concentrates poverty which translates to an overall decline in quality of life for the area. If landlords would just stop renting to these people, and instead rent to working professionals, BP and Norwood would be much more desirable.
If more Section 8 and program tenants are moving it, that also shows that these areas are not that desirable to professionals to begin with. Areas desirable to professionals charge a lot more than what Section 8 would pay. Most areas of the Bronx are working class at best.
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:17 AM
 
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Also, due to the Webster Ave rezoning, the city has tried to put up supportive housing that contain homeless people, people with AIDS, and people with mental illness in the Norwood/Bedford park area which if successful, would help ruin these neighborhoods. Also of residents are fighting to stop it but if they fail, it would be a huge blow to the desirability of these communities.
These people have to be housed somewhere, though. You even have such supportive housing in Manhattan neighborhoods like Chelsea, Hells Kitchen, UWS, LES, etc.
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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These people have to be housed somewhere, though. You even have such supportive housing in Manhattan neighborhoods like Chelsea, Hells Kitchen, UWS, LES, etc.
Yes but you fail to realize is that in say chelsea, despite there being a supportive housing complex there, the residents in the supportive housing are pretty much contained as the predominate class of people who live in the area have nothing in common socially or culturally to the supportive housing residents. So the social impact on the neighborhood is very minimal.

Placing a supportive housing complex in an area where the similar socially and culturally class of people exist, compounds the undesirabilty of the neighborhood as the supportive housing residents would mingle with other like-minded people in the neighborhood. This results in more hanging out, more socially accepted uncivil behavior that would otherwise not be accepted in a neighborhood that the predominate class is the opposite of the supportive housing residents thus keeping these under class residents in somewhat of a check.

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Old 08-29-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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Yes but you fail to realize is that in say chelsea, despite there being a supportive housing complex there, the residents in the supportive housing are pretty much contained as the predominate class of people who live in the area have nothing in common socially or culturally to the supportive housing residents. So the social impact on the neighborhood is very minimal.

Placing a supportive housing complex in an area where the similar socially and culturally class of people exist, compounds the undesirabilty of the neighborhood as the supportive housing residents would mingle with other like-minded people in the neighborhood. This results in more hanging out, more socially accepted uncivil behavior that would otherwise not be accepted in a neighborhood that the predominate class is the opposite of the supportive housing residents thus keeping these under class residents in somewhat of a check.
Big parts of the Bronx are historically where the city DUMPED poor people. Its even evident in the very architecture of many of the Bronx's buildings. It is what it is and it will not change, and not that many locations are DYING to just absorb all of NYC's generational poor in some cases. There's also a huge welfare industry around this, so defacto the federal government and the state paid NYC and other big cities to absorb poor people from all over the country in the designated bad parts of town. While funding for these programs may be and will be cut, they won't be eliminated any time soon.

I know you don't like having that stuff around, so perhaps you should just move to a community where you don't have to deal with that stuff, and sell your building in the Bronx in the meantime. The Bronx is in no danger of gentrification and continues to get low income housing.

But back to Chelsea, despite it being an expensive high end neighborhood, there are multiple supportive housing projects there, as well as NYCHA itself. Then there are the Mitchell Llama buildings. Then there are the 80/20 buildings (20 percent of units dedicated to low income people) and Chelsea itself does have LAMP. Ditto for the Lower East Side, Chinatown, Hells Kitchen, and Upper West Side. Manhattan has a lot more people living in some sort of rent regulated or welfare housing than people care to admit. Most people with lots of money eventually want a house and a car, and those are things that you just don't do in Manhattan or in big parts of the Bronx (where are the houses until you get to the North Bronx).
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Old 12-07-2013, 06:23 AM
 
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They need to gentrify Morris & University Heights out here for real. To much negativity in one spot = a hurricane of crime .
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:01 AM
 
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They need to gentrify Morris & University Heights out here for real. To much negativity in one spot = a hurricane of crime .
West side till the death of me!!
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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Lol...yes indeed the rows of dilapidated tenements of the West Bronx, like Mount Hope, Tremont, University Heights, etc remind me of Washington Heights in the 80s and 90s...lots of poor people squished together, loud, no parking, and bleak. It has changed in the immediate Yankee Stadiun area/Civic Center, but you travel just north of 165th all the way to Fordham and it is Washington Heights circa 1985. Not a fan!

The only real hope for any type of real, palpable gentrification is the development of the Southern Bronx waterfront from E149th along the river all the way around past the Willis Avenue bridge. If that is built as middle income housing, THEN you will see gentrification in the Bronx. Besides that, it just isn't happening.
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Old 12-07-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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I was thinking they should taredown all the pjs out here like they did to Cabrini green in Chicago.
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