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Old 07-10-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: USA
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the ethnic europeans are moving out
just like other groups. the old pre-911
ny is gone forever and being replaced
by a totally different group of foreigners
and domestics.

soon everyone will have a british accent lol.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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LOL... Well Hispanics get to choose what their race is and many of them deny that they have any Black or mixture in them so of course they would pick White. White is seen as better in many cultures including the Hispanic culture.
Italians, Spaniars and most of Southern Europe has a lot of mixture.
Spain for example was conquered and ruled by the moors for hundreds of years.
Sicilians and a big chunk of Southern Italians have more sub-Saharan (black African) blood in them that many would like to accept.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Riverdale, New York
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Italians, Spaniars and most of Southern Europe has a lot of mixture.
Spain for example was conquered and ruled by the moors for hundreds of years.
Sicilians and a big chunk of Southern Italians have more sub-Saharan (black African) blood in them that many would like to accept.
Heck most of Europe has a lot of mixture. The Europeans have been mixing with just about everybody over the years, so none of this is shocking. That's why the Germans and English have been said to be "brothers". Spain, Italy and Portugal were all heavily mixed to begin with, with various Europeans, but some parts are even more more mixed. Plenty of swarthy Spanish, Italian and Portuguese around though I must say the mixture looks great. With that said you have plenty of fair skinned Spanish, Italian and Portuguese too from the areas you mentioned so it's really a mixed bag. Very much like the Hispanics you see here. They come in all shades and colors.

That's why it's comical when Hispanics cling to their "Spanish" roots as if the Spanish were so pure. Even the Northern Spanish have a great deal of mixture. Maybe not Moorish influence like Southern Spain has, but still mixture nonetheless. Let us not forget the Jewish influence in Spain for starters.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Snake: If you educated yourself about what it means to be "white" and it's history, you would know that they are artificially increasing their numbers by allowing non-whites to use the moniker to maintain the illusion of dominance. Jews are considered white somehow (remember the whole Hitler thing against them?), however they are not, and if excluded from the white population, NYC whites would be virtually nonexistent. Italians and Irish, the 2 largest ethnic white groups (you do know why they are called ethnic whites right?), are not white either and never were, but with the flood of them into the city, the whites needed the numbers so they were allowed into the club.

Now that Hispanics are taking over, you can be "white", "black" or "asian", as Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. And guess what racial classification is most popular? I too must use white...not because I consider myself white necessarily, but because I am clearly not black or asian!

When you consider people like Ray Romano, and Adam Sandler as white, you are basically saying anyone who doesn't obviously look black, asian, indian (or some mix of these) is white by default. And that is the sorry status of whites today in NYC..which was never the case before. Why? Because actual whites are a dying breed, so in order to keep the party going they have to keep letting "those people" in.

FYI: You should of course know that white is short for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP), which were, and still is, the British, Dutch, Germans, etc. It was never about simply having white appearing features or being European. Being European means you are caucasian, not white, and therein lies the difference....but they need the numbers..so come one, come all! Welcome to the party!
Obviously, people have no idea what you are talking about. The comment about Nazi Germany is truly astonishing.

Again, I would ponder the dearth of ability for critical thinking ... does not portend well for the future.

You are saying that race designations have strategically shifted, or better, have strategically been shifted. This is an important fact.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Riverdale, New York
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Obviously, people have no idea what you are talking about. The comment about Nazi Germany is truly astonishing.

Again, I would ponder the dearth of ability for critical thinking ... does not portend well for the future.

You are saying that race designations have strategically shifted, or better, have strategically been shifted. This is an important fact.
Yeah well previously you didn't have Hispanics here in large numbers and the US likes to put everyone into categories so that's what they did. They clearly don't view Hispanics as truly White though, that's why the distinction is made between White-non Hispanic and White Hispanic. No other White group has this sort of distinction.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Heck most of Europe has a lot of mixture. The Europeans have been mixing with just about everybody over the years, so none of this is shocking. That's why the Germans and English have been said to be "brothers". Spain, Italy and Portugal were all heavily mixed to begin with, with various Europeans, but some parts are even more more mixed. Plenty of swarthy Spanish, Italian and Portuguese around though I must say the mixture looks great. With that said you have plenty of fair skinned Spanish, Italian and Portuguese too from the areas you mentioned so it's really a mixed bag. Very much like the Hispanics you see here. They come in all shades and colors.

That's why it's comical when Hispanics cling to their "Spanish" roots as if the Spanish were so pure. Even the Northern Spanish have a great deal of mixture. Maybe not Moorish influence like Southern Spain has, but still mixture nonetheless. Let us not forget the Jewish influence in Spain for starters.
Pretty much, Spanairds are mixed with Germanic Goths, Celts, Italians, Greeks, North Africans from both Carthaginian conquest during antiquity and Arab/Moorish Conquest of the early middle ages. Even French are mixed, France used to be a Roman Provence this is why French is similar to Spanish and Italian and heavily Roman Catholic, also Greeks colonized Southern France introducing wine and olive oil which is the staple of the French diet to this day. French are also mixed with Celtic the people who Rome Conquered and also Germanic tribe called the French who conquered Roman Gaul. Italians are mixed too but I don't want to get into that.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Snake: If you educated yourself about what it means to be "white" and it's history, you would know that they are artificially increasing their numbers by allowing non-whites to use the moniker to maintain the illusion of dominance. Jews are considered white somehow (remember the whole Hitler thing against them?), however they are not, and if excluded from the white population, NYC whites would be virtually nonexistent. Italians and Irish, the 2 largest ethnic white groups (you do know why they are called ethnic whites right?), are not white either and never were, but with the flood of them into the city, the whites needed the numbers so they were allowed into the club.

Now that Hispanics are taking over, you can be "white", "black" or "asian", as Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. And guess what racial classification is most popular? I too must use white...not because I consider myself white necessarily, but because I am clearly not black or asian!

When you consider people like Ray Romano, and Adam Sandler as white, you are basically saying anyone who doesn't obviously look black, asian, indian (or some mix of these) is white by default. And that is the sorry status of whites today in NYC..which was never the case before. Why? Because actual whites are a dying breed, so in order to keep the party going they have to keep letting "those people" in.

FYI: You should of course know that white is short for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP), which were, and still is, the British, Dutch, Germans, etc. It was never about simply having white appearing features or being European. Being European means you are caucasian, not white, and therein lies the difference....but they need the numbers..so come one, come all! Welcome to the party!
I worked with a Jew for several years and she was as lily white as a white lily. I had a Jewish friend in DC and if he had stayed out of the sun he would have been, also. White skin is pretty obvious. WASP's aren't the only whites. I admit I have said that if I live long enough I'll be looked at as one of the old-time whites, so white you can see blue veins. And I have blue eyes and fine hair. Skin color matters to me only in that I wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood where people looked at me like 'what are you doing here,' and I like diversity, but it has never occurred to me to break race down to the point that I consider a person's culture to group them into any race other than white if their skin is white. Personally I think it's too bad the census considers race. When we stop considering race, a lot of problems will go away.

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Old 07-10-2013, 05:40 PM
 
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Race isn't yesterdays nooz its last centurys nooz. What race is Tiger Woods? All of above?
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:41 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Obviously, people have no idea what you are talking about. The comment about Nazi Germany is truly astonishing.

Again, I would ponder the dearth of ability for critical thinking ... does not portend well for the future.

You are saying that race designations have strategically shifted, or better, have strategically been shifted. This is an important fact.
There's nothing "critical thinking" about categorizing people according to the appearance of their skin or their religion, that certain of these are "taking over" and referring to groups as "breeds" and alluding to some "sorry status for whites".

I suggest you re-evaluate your thinking which might actually be what is astounding, and what you consider to be "important fact"s
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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I find it interesting that people call people of color "minorities" when they are the majority in the world by far, and the majority in NYC. And if you excluded Jews from the white category (how did that happen? If Adam Sandler is white, who isn't?), there would be 10% white in NYC, and that would include other dubious whites like the Italians (Ray Romano is white?), Albanians, Irish, Greeks, etc...the actual white population is nonexistent in NYC, they just keep recruiting new nonwhites to maintain the illusion of dominance. Hispanics are now identifying as white...gotta love it!

The actual whites (Wasps) have zero interest in living with the ethnic "whites", but have little choice in NYC other than prime Manhattan districts...it's preferable to live with the international elite than the ethnic "whites."

Wasps are very rare in New York area, even in the suburbs.. It's actually 33% White Non Hispanic in New York City and 12 Percent Jewish.. So you still have 21% White, also, Where do you get this belief that only Wasps are white? Did you know that Hispanic is not a race! Hispanics in the United states are over 50 % White genetically. The majority of African Americans are 17 Percent White or more. It's actually quite the opposite of what you are saying...In other countries anyone with any sign of caucasian features will label them self white, here it is the complete opposite. Are you an "Ethnic" white person(lol) who is looking for any excuse to call himself a minority?

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