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Old 07-14-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: New York City
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And when they're done, the station looks pretty much the same as it did before.
This is not true, they look brand new and very very nice. But some, like Canal & Times Square, get trashed as soon as they're done by water leaks & rust away every day
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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In a city as complex, as big, and as unruly as New York, I'm not amazed that the subways run so poorly. I'm amazed that they run at all.
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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With FASTRACK there is no excuse for not cleaning stations. I don't see most lines running 24/7 anymore... in fact the line cuts have become quite draconian.

MTA upper management just doesn't care. People don't have a choice, and the city has a 99% occupied rate.
It clearly doesn't bother people enough to avoid the subway- and when you run a monopoly, frankly you'd prefer people to drive or take a cab because you make more $$$ on those customers.

Sick system, and frankly the largest one that pulled any of my interest away from the Downstate NY region.
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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With FASTRACK there is no excuse for not cleaning stations.
Even ines that are closed all weekend- EVERY weekend emerge on Monday as filthy as they were the previous Friday.Tthis is repeated 52 times a year and 520 times a decade.

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Mostly agree, but service is not the same. It is getting worse all the time,
especially in the outer boroughs.
In the last 3 years I have taken to MUCH more frequent subway riding and in just that short a time I have noticed a steady and marked decrease in subway service. This pertains very much to service in Manhattan as well.
They are cutting service using various excuses, none of which are valid, and the order for this cutback has come from the very top "management" (if you can apply such a word to the MTA.)
It is planned service cuts and they do not have the balls to stand up and admit it, nor do any of our politicians have the balls to call them on it.

And we, the sheep, wait longer on sweltering platforms for fewer and later trains that we can cram into, not unlike the trains that were sent to Buchenwald.

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Old 07-15-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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This is not true, they look brand new and very very nice. But some, like Canal & Times Square, get trashed as soon as they're done by water leaks & rust away every day
Obviously you've never seen how a proper subway station is supposed to look like. Our subway stations in NYC don't even have proper ceilings, just rusty moldy pipes and wires with leaky ventilation systems.

Here is an example of a nice subway station for you:

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Old 07-15-2013, 07:33 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Obviously you've never seen how a proper subway station is supposed to look like. Our subway stations in NYC don't even have proper ceilings, just rusty moldy pipes and wires with leaky ventilation systems.

Here is an example of a nice subway station for you:
Obviously you never leave Brooklyn. The renovated stations all get new tile and typically mosaics commissioned to artists specifically for that venue. Have a look at BMT 23rd street as an example. Court square on the 7 line is an example without tile, but that was nicely done with a new deck & walls with tasteful green accents and black window trim.

People just love to bash the MTA at every opportunity, but do yourself a favor and bash them when they deserve it or you lose all credibility. They don't clean or fix up nearly enough stations, and it always costs way more than it should, but you need to give credit where credit is due since what they do fix up they do it well
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Queens, New York City
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Big, old? All stupid arguments for filth. The Sistine Chapel ceiling is both big and old...but it is not filthy. Versailles is big and old but they manage to keep it clean.
And almost every other subway system on the planet makes ours look like a dump in comparison.
Kefir, I know you are smart enough to know that this analogy is terrible.

This doesn't mean you are wrong about your main point, but that analogy...
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Does the london metro cost more to ride? I always found things in europe can be nicer however they are more expensive too.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Putnam County, NY
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The same folks who B*#@& about dirty stations would be the first ones to post here about how they can't wait to move to Texas or Florida because taxes would have to be raised to European levels to make the stations that nice. (Also, fares are MUCH higher in Europe, folks would B*#@& about that too) So, do you really want the stations nice, if it means taxes are high and fares are high? Probably not.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: NYC
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I don't mind how the NYC subway stations look. It actually fits the character of the city. Sure I'd love something like in DC, but it has never bothered me.

I'd much rather it stay the same than have major service cutbacks or stop running 24/7. I guess I'm in the minority as I have never found them to be all that dirty. Only the bathrooms.

Have you ever lived in NYC? Just curious, because visiting here and actually living here are two very different things.

I haven't heard of anyone using NYC subway bathrooms since the 70s lol
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