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Old 07-13-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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Check this out. This has broad implications for NY, where you've such a large number of people on welfare programs.

House passes farm bill; strips out food-stamp program

The republicans in the House could delay all other legislation until the Democrats give them concessions on their plans to butcher social programs. If they succeed and more or less end food stamps, imagine what will happen to Section 8 and similar programs. Keep in mind today's Democrats are fairly conservative. Not tea party crazy lunatic conversative, but they are more pro business and they aren't interested in funding social programs.

What will the consequences of this be for NYC? A lot of people are employed in the welfare/industrial complex of NYC. Think mass layoffs. As programs wouldn't be able to pay rents, think massive drop in the real estate prices of big parts of Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx, and uptown Manhattan (add parts of the Lower East Side). Oh, landlords wouldn't be able to pay mortgages either, so think default. Perhaps tenants could form associations and take over their buildings (but they would still need to establish the income to maintain the building).

This House will do all it can to gut welfare infastructure, and what's they are doing is on top of the 205 million cuts to NYCHA and 120 million in cuts to Section 8, among other cuts.

At this point, it doesn't really matter whether one is pro welfare or anti welfare. Quite clearly NYC cannot continue to rely on federal funding for all of this stuff. The next mayor is likely going to have to make very hard decisions on the future of the city and on what to do, in an era where the feds aren't interested in helping.
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Old 07-13-2013, 08:25 PM
 
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Think you are overreacting a bit here. The sky isn't falling. The farmers are not even behind this one more example of Republican miscalculation. Food Stamps not only help those who can't afford decent food. Food Stamps prop up the supermarkets, corner grocery stores and the farmers, who would sell a lot less without them.
It wont stand. The blowhards will cut a deal, each side claiming some idiotic victory, and Food Stamps will go on.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Hopefully the result is a greatly reduced size of the program, but ultimately food stamps should not be completely cut. Some people truly need it. As far as propping up business, while true, I personally believe that shouldn't be the motivation to maintain the program.
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:13 PM
 
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Think you are overreacting a bit here. The sky isn't falling. The farmers are not even behind this one more example of Republican miscalculation. Food Stamps not only help those who can't afford decent food. Food Stamps prop up the supermarkets, corner grocery stores and the farmers, who would sell a lot less without them.
It wont stand. The blowhards will cut a deal, each side claiming some idiotic victory, and Food Stamps will go on.
Anything is possible, and I do think people have to be prepared for the worst. The House Republicans could sign on to immigration reform, for example, while butchering the food stamps program. Its possible, and the sky could fall.

I don't think the House Republicans care about propping up businesses. Funding to federal agencies across the board has been cut 10%, and they want to force through far greater cuts. They are fairly serious. Months ago, when I said funding to NYCHA and Section 8 would likely but cut, plenty of people said that was impossible . Well, funding to NYCHA and Section 8 has been cut.

North Carolina has become the first state to opt out of long term unemployment benefits.

North Carolina will become first state to forfeit federal long-term unemployment benefits | CharlotteObserver.com

AN argument could be made that unemployment helps the economy, but it doesn't look like NC's Republicans care. What happened to their long term unemployment could certainly repeat itself with Food Stamps. Underestimate your political opponents at your own peril.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Food Stamps not only help those who can't afford decent food. Food Stamps
prop up the supermarkets, corner grocery stores and the farmers, who would sell
a lot less without them.

Exactly, the only schlub in this food chain who does NOT get federal money is the guy getting stamps and exchanging them for food. It is a direct infusion of public money to farmers and food conglomerates.
But Republicans figure it sounds good to the knuckle draggers who are not rich but vote Republican because they vote against their own interests out of sheer stupidity.
For a while they traded on homophobia, then on restricting women's rights, then on hatred of immigrants and minorities, and now it is hatred of the poor.
These issues have a lot of appeal to mental defectives.
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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Hopefully the result is a greatly reduced size of the program, but ultimately food stamps should not be completely cut. Some people truly need it. As far as propping up business, while true, I personally believe that shouldn't be the motivation to maintain the program.
"propping up business" sounds more like a communist redistribution here, LOL
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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It is definitely not real estate/LLs who will be impacted (except in the shortterm), as demand by paying/working tenants is very strong, and as a result of welfare tenants vacating apts, more apts will be available for "regular" working people. This would in fact be a win for LLs/real estate.

However, if the programs like section 8 are drastically cut, the city is responsible to still house all of these people, so it will be forced to build shelter after shelter everywhere, transitional housing, half-way houses, welfare hotels, etc...and will decimate the few middle class areas left in this city. It will become a city of the destitute and the wealthy far faster than if the programs would have stayed as-is, assuming the right to shelter law is not overturned...and it may be if the city is facing this massive obligation.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: West Harlem
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It is definitely not real estate/LLs who will be impacted (except in the shortterm), as demand by paying/working tenants is very strong, and as a result of welfare tenants vacating apts, more apts will be available for "regular" working people. This would in fact be a win for LLs/real estate.

However, if the programs like section 8 are drastically cut, the city is responsible to still house all of these people, so it will be forced to build shelter after shelter everywhere, transitional housing, half-way houses, welfare hotels, etc...and will decimate the few middle class areas left in this city. It will become a city of the destitute and the wealthy far faster than if the programs would have stayed as-is, assuming the right to shelter law is not overturned...and it may be if the city is facing this massive obligation.
Meanwhile, on another thread, you have a poster with "fingers crossed," Texas resident, applying for NYCHA to "move to New York."
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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Exactly the problem...we cannot have a system where NYC must house all of the country! We need a national system...but it ain't gonna happen. Ultimately I think the NYC law that it must house anyone who needs it will be struck down...when is the question.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Hopefully the result is a greatly reduced size of the program, but ultimately food stamps should not be completely cut. Some people truly need it. As far as propping up business, while true, I personally believe that shouldn't be the motivation to maintain the program.
The farmers have been propped up since the Dust Bowl and I don't see it ending soon. Banks and insurance companies get propped up on a fairly regular basis, about every 20 years they make another mess and Uncle Sam bails them out.
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