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Old 07-22-2013, 05:15 PM
 
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East side once had 3 rapid transit lines, all elevated. It could use all three again. To ths I say once it's gone it's gone , just look at the old Rockaway Beach LIRR Branch. Thank you Nimby's!
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Old 07-22-2013, 06:54 PM
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check out the mta's flickr stream to see what the progress looks like , Second Avenue Subway's 86th Street Station - July 2013 Progress Update - a set on Flickr
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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As with any NYC construction project, the length of time is protracted so the workers make more money. They like to take it easy at a slow pace instead of working hard to get things done.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:32 PM
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i would disagree with that ,there is alot more to it then that. i wish it were like that, contractors don't mind spending the OT on man power to get the job done. but the tunnel work is shift work 3 shifts a day . morning ,swing , and grave yard

with most construction jobs if the contractor finishes before the contract is up there are big bonuses for managment/supers and bosses.

also since there are many different phases of the job they need to get bid out to subcontractors. and the bidding process can really slow things down alot of politics with jurisdiction of what union gets what.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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Light rail does not have the capacity nor speed of rapid transit. The East Side of Manhattan is way too dense to primarily depend upon light rail. The 2nd Ave subway is badly needed. In it's current state, it's underwhelming. Bronx and Brooklyn expansions are already needed.

East side once had 3 rapid transit lines, all elevated. It could use all three again.
We are in no danger of seeing a 3rd Avenue Subway, maybe ever. To be fair, in the Bronx it was the 3rd Avenue El. In Upper Manhattan, it split in two, and became the 3rd and 2nd Avenue Els. With modern switches and equipment, plus BMT/IND clearances (as opposed to IRT) the current Second Avenue Subway may have the capacity of the the old Second and Third Avenue Els. It definitely would have, had the city long built a 4 track Second Avenue Subway. But that wasn't meant to be, all we'll get is the standard two tracks. Even that will be a relief.

And yes, definitely a Bronx expansion is needed to replace the third avenue el and relieve crowding on the 2 and 5 trains. Unfortunately since only Phase 1 is funded, any further expansions may take decades, IF they happen at all.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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I was wondering why phase 1 of the Q extension to 96th street is supposed to be complete in late 2016 (probably mid 2017 with the MTA's amazing estimates-_-) but the construction crews have already tunneled to 86th street. They only have ten more blocks which will take about another year. So why are they opening it so late?
Reason #1: Union Contracts
Reason #2: Environmental regulations & the scumbags who use them to extort professional fees
Reason #3: ADA regulations & the scumbags who use them to extort professional fees
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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Second Avenue Subway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second Ave. subway on track to open in 2016: MTA* - NY Daily News

Eyeing Second Avenue Subway's Phase I completion

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Old 08-02-2013, 12:00 AM
 
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Reason #1: Union Contracts
Reason #2: Environmental regulations & the scumbags who use them to extort professional fees
Reason #3: ADA regulations & the scumbags who use them to extort professional fees
So why should have illegal immigrants build a shoddy tunnel that collapses?

Back before environmental regulations and better engineering, a number of people died in the construction and they did some pretty significant damage to buildings along the way. And with all the utilities undergound in Manhattan, you have to do expensive utility relocation whenever you build a new subway. Truthfully if would have been much cheaper to rebuild the Second Avenue El, but that could not happen due to the real estate industry.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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So many issues going into the delay: Densely populated, built-up Upper East Side modern-day Manhattan, government involvement, huge cost, huge logistics of construction underneath existing daily working and residential lives.

This project should have been built in the '20s. A shame it wasn't. My guess would be the first phase will open about on time in 2016/2017. The next phase probably not until 2025. The entire thing may not be done til 2040. Really awful but probably true....ugh.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:50 AM
 
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The entire thing may not be done til 2040. Really awful but probably true....ugh.
If by whole thing you mean all the way downtown, I think we're looking at 2065 at best, if ever at all
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