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Old 07-24-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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This is part of a proposal by a company trying to win the contract to build the subway. How is this remotely objective? Of course they are going to say building the subway is a good idea.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Newsflash: lots of people live here. It's not for everybody. The vast majority of Manhattan platforms are clean and well maintained, and many have been completely renovated.
LOL what? Have you ever been on a subway system in a city outside the country? We have by far the dirtiest and least maintained subway system out of the major systems I visited. Even developing countries have cleaner subway systems than ours.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:49 PM
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LOL what? Have you ever been on a subway system in a city outside the country? We have by far the dirtiest and least maintained subway system out of the major systems I visited. Even developing countries have cleaner subway systems than ours.
And that's a problem? It's not so dirty that it borders on disgusting. Some people exaggerate their claims on here.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: New York City
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This is part of a proposal by a company trying to win the contract to build the subway. How is this remotely objective? Of course they are going to say building the subway is a good idea.
Huh, what contract? lol

If you actually bothered to look into to this instead of standing on your soap box, you would have learned that this is the $250,000 feasibility study paid for by the City of New York
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:53 PM
 
Location: New York City
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LOL what? Have you ever been on a subway system in a city outside the country? We have by far the dirtiest and least maintained subway system out of the major systems I visited. Even developing countries have cleaner subway systems than ours.
Sounds like you'd be happier elsewhere. Do us all a favor and follow your dreams
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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LOL what? Have you ever been on a subway system in a city outside the country? We have by far the dirtiest and least maintained subway system out of the major systems I visited. Even developing countries have cleaner subway systems than ours.

I get the feeling that a few native NYers have been stuck in NYC lifetime and have been brainwashed so to believe that NYC represents the top standard...well, if someone has not seen something cleaner, what is the point of trying to convincing them that most of NYC subway stations are DIRTY and filthy?
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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I heard that every now and then a woman got pregnant accidentally after riding through such rush hours...
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: New York City
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I get the feeling that a few native NYers have been stuck in NYC lifetime and have been brainwashed so to believe that NYC represents the top standard...well, if someone has not seen something cleaner, what is the point of trying to convincing them that most of NYC subway stations are DIRTY and filthy?
I don't think anyone would argue that NYC has the top cleanliness of subway, far from it. But I think the point is that it doesn't matter. What matters is that it works and provides the service with a reasonable amount of comfort. It will never be as nice as in China or Los Angeles, but I can live with that given the circumstances. I think the MTA & City are putting in a good effort to fix the problems but there is only so much that can be done. It is what it is, and it's a part of the character of this city. You either love it or hate it
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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Huh, what contract? lol

If you actually bothered to look into to this instead of standing on your soap box, you would have learned that this is the $250,000 feasibility study paid for by the City of New York
Exactly. The city is a client of theirs. The further this project advances, the more engineering work and consulting they will need, thus the more money the firm will make. Surely you can see how their incentives aren't entirely aligned with those of taxpayers.
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:17 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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What's wrong with the NJT train that gets you there in 5 minutes from Penn Station?


Bayside residents mostly have cars and can afford take the LIRR into the city--the amount of time it would take to ride the subway to Manhattan would probably make it an unpopular choice.


How many people actually need to get from Queens to the Bronx every day, though?

I'm not sure if you're paraphrasing the website or those are your opinions about the effects of completing these projects, but do you have any research from independent sources which backs up any of these claims about economic gains?
Agreed on your points except for the outer boroughs line. The reason that's a good idea is because the right-of-way already exists and is owned by the MTA, so it'd be far less costly and disruptive to build than a wholly new line. And while the number of people that need to get from Queens to the Bronx might not be huge (save for special events at Yankee Stadium), the right-of-way for the line does go through a lot of areas that currently do not have subway service whatsoever. It would also allow for new transfer and commuting patterns which probably make more sense as both LIC and downtown Brooklyn grow as job/retail/entertainment centers.
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