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Old 12-11-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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145th and Bway is Hamilton Heights. Nothing's changed. And Hamilton Heights is a sub-neighborhood within Harlem anyway, so we can call it just plain old Harlem.
My favorite was a discussion I overheard where someone was explaining to a friend that they were in Sugar Hill, which is a neighborhood in Hamilton Heights, which is a neighborhood in West Harlem, which is in Harlem, which is in Manhattan, which is a borough of New York City. LOL
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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Can we put to bed the tired cliché of boring, white Midwesterners?
Haha I don't know where they get the idea that all white people they see in the hood are lame Midwestern transplants

I highly doubt those people would move en masse to the neighborhoods currently considered "the hood"

That being said, it's pretty lame to move to say, Washington Heights and whine about people playing their music too loud
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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Corona is gentrifying now?

Even if it is, it's still like 90% Hispanic, there isn't a white takeover of the neighborhood.
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Old 12-11-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Haha I don't know where they get the idea that all white people they see in the hood are lame Midwestern transplants

I highly doubt those people would move en masse to the neighborhoods currently considered "the hood"

That being said, it's pretty lame to move to say, Washington Heights and whine about people playing their music too loud
HH isn't the 'hood really. There are blocks, but broadly speaking it differs from Central Harlem very much.

Second, those "lame Midwestern transplants" are not moving to this area that I have observed.

Third, it is not at all "lame" to complain about people playing loud music in some parts of Washington Heights.

So ... you live in which of the areas under discussion, exactly ? Because having actual experience before identifying things as "lame" or "'hood" can make your comments more relevant.
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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Corona is gentrifying now?

Even if it is, it's still like 90% Hispanic, there isn't a white takeover of the neighborhood.
YET!

Harlem in 2000 was still over 90% Black, yet gentrification had already started.

Residents in Corona already demonstrated against the Jackson Heights/Corona BID, and are extremely concerned about the Willets Point and Citifield development plans. Corona will soon be a lot less Hispanic and Jackson Heights already has a big influx of White residents. Sort of like how Williamsburg and Ft. Greene gentrified first, then it was time for Bedstuy and Bushwick to gentrify.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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HH isn't the 'hood really. There are blocks, but broadly speaking it differs from Central Harlem very much.

Second, those "lame Midwestern transplants" are not moving to this area that I have observed.

Third, it is not at all "lame" to complain about people playing loud music in some parts of Washington Heights.

So ... you live in which of the areas under discussion, exactly ? Because having actual experience before identifying things as "lame" or "'hood" can make your comments more relevant.
What are you even going on about? All I really said was that not all of the white people moving to areas considered "the hood" are transplants from the midwest.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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YET!

Harlem in 2000 was still over 90% Black, yet gentrification had already started.

Residents in Corona already demonstrated against the Jackson Heights/Corona BID, and are extremely concerned about the Willets Point and Citifield development plans. Corona will soon be a lot less Hispanic and Jackson Heights already has a big influx of White residents. Sort of like how Williamsburg and Ft. Greene gentrified first, then it was time for Bedstuy and Bushwick to gentrify.
Harlem is still majority black though, and it's a lot closer to midtown Manhattan than Corona.
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Old 12-13-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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What are you even going on about? All I really said was that not all of the white people moving to areas considered "the hood" are transplants from the midwest.
The answer - you live nowhere near either.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:46 PM
 
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Harlem is still majority black though, and it's a lot closer to midtown Manhattan than Corona.
Now you go off subject.

The Black population in Harlem is rapidly diminishing and there are the stats to prove it.

Your basic claim is that there is no segregation in NYC. Other posters, myself included have pointed out that it is.

Many of the "integrated" neighborhoods you mention are neighborhoods in transition. As the white population grows the Black or Hispanic population diminishes. If you actually spoke to Blacks or Hispanics in these neighborhoods many of them would say that they are being priced out.

There are articles on the stats that show the Black and Hispanic population growth in the suburbs as Manhattan in general becomes more expensive. I posted the link on the Hispanic population shrinking in Manhattan, even upper Manhattan.

Why is it so difficult for you to deal with this reality?
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:13 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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The Black population in Harlem is rapidly diminishing and there are the stats to prove it.
The fact that this happened relatively rapidly was actually the most astonishing thing.
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