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Old 06-22-2015, 10:51 PM
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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I don't see it. Bed-Stuy isn't even close to fully gentrified, nor is Crown Heights. Granted, they may both get there, but even then I don't see ENY being gentrified. I think the next destination in Brooklyn is going to be Flatbush from Nostrand westward becuase of there being better trains over there.
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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I don't see it. Bed-Stuy isn't even close to fully gentrified, nor is Crown Heights. Granted, they may both get there, but even then I don't see ENY being gentrified. I think the next destination in Brooklyn is going to be Flatbush from Nostrand westward becuase of there being better trains over there.
ENY not easily gentrified because in the 3 decades that I've been here. People have moved there and moved out because the area is inconvenient from a transit perspective and lots of crime.

There are other places you can't gentrify like Riker's Island.

Location, location, location..
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Old 06-23-2015, 12:41 PM
 
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A mixture of working/mid/lower classes, retired elderlies, disabled people, psychos and cops. Just your normal, tough black neighborhood in america.
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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ENY not easily gentrified because in the 3 decades that I've been here. People have moved there and moved out because the area is inconvenient from a transit perspective and lots of crime.

There are other places you can't gentrify like Riker's Island.

Location, location, location..
A, C, J, L 3, Lirr, and buses run through ENY. How isn't it convenient?
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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A, C, J, L 3, Lirr, and buses run through ENY. How isn't it convenient?
I'd say it has better transportation options than Flatbush.
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:32 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Just because all of these developers are speculating on ENY doesn't mean it will take off.

The biggest risk is that people will decide ENY is just too far on the train and not worth the sacrifices in safety and QoL. There are plenty of viable competing neighborhood choices to ENY in Upper Manhattan, Queens, and the Bronx. Even with all of the new development and rising real estate costs it still takes many years for the poor to be pushed out.

Even if ENY doesn't ride the gentrification wave, investors of today still have a chance to make money playing the greater fool game of buying now and selling at a profit while the neighborhood is still full of hype and expectation. Just don't be caught holding the bag if things go sour..
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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Even with all of the new development and rising real estate costs it still takes many years for the poor to be pushed out.
Once it becomes a government initiative civil services in the area will improve. There will be bigger police presence (NYC is hiring more cops) and they will clean up the area rather quickly with big crime bust to take local thugs to prison. Similar events have happen in other gentrified areas were there is a lot of developers money at stake.

LIC & Astoria Gentrification
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1348526

Harlem Gentrification
More than 100 indicted in Harlem in largest-ever NYC gang bust | Reuters
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Old 06-23-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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I'd say it has better transportation options than Flatbush.
The J and L are all local and require a transfer to Midtown. The 3 is okay, but the C train is one of the least frequent in the city.

By contrast, The 5 is on Nostrand which is not only express but goes directly to the east side, while the B/Q are short rides to Midtown as well. And there's the 2 on Nostrand along with the 5.
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Old 06-23-2015, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY (Crown Heights/Weeksville)
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Just because all of these developers are speculating on ENY doesn't mean it will take off.

The biggest risk is that people will decide ENY is just too far on the train and not worth the sacrifices in safety and QoL. There are plenty of viable competing neighborhood choices to ENY in Upper Manhattan, Queens, and the Bronx. Even with all of the new development and rising real estate costs it still takes many years for the poor to be pushed out.
If you only envision workplaces in Manhattan, ok then. But downtown Brooklyn's becoming a corporate/media/arts downtown office center for white-collar. And if/when the Atlantic Avenue corridor gets re-developed for manufacturing, as DiBlasio is pushing to have industries re-occupy those vacant warehouses, that'll be new jobs for skilled labor already living and underemployed in all these neighborhoods.

Employ the people already living there with new decent-paying jobs is a much different way of thinking than "pushing poor people out."

If that all happens in commercial and industrial sectors, then ENY is not "too far by train" to reside, for white collar and re-employed blue-collar commuters.

And I'd love to see it happen. If that kind of development leapfrogs first over partially-gentrified BedStuy and CrownHeights to ENY, then I'd hope for back-fill=in for BedStuy and Crown Heights, continuing those improvements and ultimately connecting Western to Eastern Brooklyn by trains already in place.

Let people live, work, dine, raise a family on a middleclass salary, and recreate all in Brooklyn. Go to Manhattan just for museums and parades. That'd be fine.

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