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Old 09-14-2013, 11:53 PM
 
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There has been a declining population of blacks and hispanics in NYC, particularly African Americans and Puerto Ricans. Why? Gentrification and High cost of living are some of the reasons. But is there something else to it or...?
Also, where are they mostly relocating to? Are they going mainly to the suburbs, or cheaper nearby big cities, or somewhere in the sunbelt, or somewhere else entirely.
On a side note, out of all 5 boros, the Bronx is only one that didnt see its non white population decline.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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Not this again. We spoke about this constantly. I know off my back that Prs are moving to NJ, Eastern PA like Allentown and Central Florida. Half of my block already lives down in Florida and many do quite well and could not do better here in NYC. As for Blacks many move either upstate, but most move back to their ancestral lands of the South especially North Carolina and Georgia. Many African Americans go from housing projects to Mcmansions. What is causing many to leave? Cost of living, quality of living, gentrification and last competition. Also the decline of thr middle class under Bloomberg caused many native new Yorkers of all races to move away. As for thr Bronx its Rican population is declining especially in the South Bronx which has becomingmostly Dominican and Mexican. Many Bronx Ricans are moving to the East Bronx like Throgs neck and Country Club. Many of Blacks in the South Bronx either move back down south or move to the North Bronx. I came across many AA in the South Bronx who used to live in Brooklyn.
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:50 AM
 
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Queens is very Hispanic and Asian, and the eastern parts are predominately Black. Not much has changed.

Brooklyn overall still has huge non white populations. Certain neighborhoods close to Manhattan have an influx of whites. But overall, Brooklyn is far from non white.

All the areas of Upper Manhattan are still predominately non white. Do keep in mind that whites coming to town don't often come for a few years for school or to try their hand at some job, and then they often leave.

For that matter, NYC has always been a come and go town.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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The only group declining are blacks, in particular "African American" blacks as opposed to Caribbean blacks (a distinction often drawn themselves between the two communities). The Hispanic population increased in four of the five boroughs 2000-2010, dropping only in Manhattan.

As for where blacks are moving, it's a diverse group of destinations. Some are moving to the suburbs; the black population is growing in the parts of Long Island and Westchester just over the border from Queens and the Bronx, as well as on Staten Island (effectively a suburb and the only borough where the black population grew). The black population also declined in the urban NJ counties (Hudson and Essex) but grew in all of the NJ suburban counties, such as Bergen and Middlesex. A significant portion of the black population is also moving to the South, especially to the Atlanta metro but also to other cities in the South. And there is the usual diffusion to other parts of the country, balanced by some in-migration from those areas as well.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:18 AM
 
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Many African Americans go from housing projects to Mcmansions.
How did they pull this off?
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:41 AM
 
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As for Blacks many move either upstate, but most move back to their ancestral lands of the South especially North Carolina and Georgia. Many African Americans go from housing projects to Mcmansions.
This is simply untrue. I've lived in Atlanta for a period of time (due to a job transfer).

If you are living in the NYC projects, chances are, you lack formal education and have limited (if any) job prospects. The Southern city job markets (particularly Raleigh (Research Triangle Park), Durham, Charlotte and Atlanta) are highly competitive w/ respect to high/good paying professional positions. Yes, the homes in these Southern cities are far cheaper than in other cities, but due to the highly competitive job market, many unskilled persons are shut out of the workforce and thus not able to afford to purchase a home, let alone rent a nice apartment (even though the apartments tend to be very cheap in these cities). The only available work for them is typically retail and fast food work (if they can even secure employment). Obviously on those salaries, they will not be able to afford or maintain a Mcmansion. When poor people from NYC relocate to the South, they are typically back in NYC within a year or two. The South simply doesn't have the huge low income housing programs or food stamp programs in place, like NYC. Also note that many employers in the South rely heavily on checking for past criminal record(s) before any offer of employment is made, even if it's just to scrub the floors in a fast food restaurant. Low income individuals who reside in NYC projects are far more likely to have criminal records, especially due to STOP and Frisk, (thus further reducing their employment prospects in the South).

The people who do very well in the South, tend to be those who are college educated and relocate due to a job transfer. In many instances, their standard of living improves dramatically because they go from renting to owning a beautiful home either in Atlanta proper (or another Southern city). The key however is to relocate with a professional job in hand, not to relocate on a wish and a hope that your life will be better, just because you are leaving NYC.

Also FYI: The South is not the African American ancestral home. African American's have ancestry primarily based in West Africa (i.e. Nigeria, Senegal, Gambia, etc). Slaves were however taken from their true ancestral land in West Africa to work the cotton fields of the South.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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This is simply untrue. I've lived in Atlanta for a period of time (due to a job transfer).

If you are living in the NYC projects, chances are, you lack formal education and have limited (if any) job prospects. The Southern city job markets (particularly Raleigh (Research Triangle Park), Durham, Charlotte and Atlanta) are highly competitive w/ respect to high/good paying professional positions. Yes, the homes in these Southern cities are far cheaper than in other cities, but due to the highly competitive job market, many unskilled persons are shut out of the workforce and thus not able to afford to purchase a home, let alone rent a nice apartment (even though the apartments tend to be very cheap in these cities). The only available work for them is typically retail and fast food work (if they can even secure employment). Obviously on those salaries, they will not be able to afford or maintain a Mcmansion. When poor people from NYC relocate to the South, they are typically back in NYC within a year or two. The South simply doesn't have the huge low income housing programs or food stamp programs in place, like NYC. Also note that many employers in the South rely heavily on checking for past criminal record(s) before any offer of employment is made, even if it's just to scrub the floors in a fast food restaurant. Low income individuals who reside in NYC projects are far more likely to have criminal records, especially due to STOP and Frisk, (thus further reducing their employment prospects in the South).

The people who do very well in the South, tend to be those who are college educated and relocate due to a job transfer. In many instances, their standard of living improves dramatically because they go from renting to owning a beautiful home either in Atlanta proper (or another Southern city). The key however is to relocate with a professional job in hand, not to relocate on a wish and a hope that your life will be better, just because you are leaving NYC.

Also FYI: The South is not the African American ancestral home. African American's have ancestry primarily based in West Africa (i.e. Nigeria, Senegal, Gambia, etc). Slaves were however taken from their true ancestral land in West Africa to work the cotton fields of the South.
Good points, CityGirl. African Americans share the same ancestral homes as the Caribbean and Latin American Blacks (primarily West Africa).

Also, its good you pointed out the misconceptions of destitute people leaving NYC and moving into the South and prospering. In order to get a house and a car in the South, means the person is either a professional or skilled working class labor.

And as for the criminal records, this underscores the importance of not getting a criminal record in the first place! You could be condemning yourself to indefinite poverty, if you do get a job it will be in some busted up bar or other illegitimate employment.

On a minimum wage job, getting to work is going to be tight. Such people are nowhere near being able to afford a house.

Very good points.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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They are doing the same things every other prior NYC ethnic group has done...diaspora to the rest of the country! Why is this worthy of discussing? Because it is people of color therefore the rules don't apply and they must be doing something different? Why is it "fleeing"? IT IS MIGRATING.

Just like the Germans, the Dutch, the British, the Scots, the Irish, the Italians, and on and on...they were dominant factors in NYC for generations then migrated out into the suburbs and the rest of the country. How do you think the rest of the country was populated? Manifest Destiny...NYC is a major entry point and populations then disperse...it has been going on for hundreds of years...and it continues now with Blacks and the more mature Hispanic populations (Puerto Ricans). And by mature I mean they have been here several generations and are now spreading to the rest of the country, particularly NJ, Penn, Florida, Texas. Blacks are going to the South, Atlanta, NC, SC, etc.

It's the normal progression and a good sign. Nobody is fleeing...populations are maturing and spreading across the country like every other one.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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A lot of hispanics (mostly PRs) have fled to Florida and parts of the south.

Many blacks have fled to wherever they'll be treated decently and have a fighting chance at life.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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Puerto Ricans- Florida, and to a lesser extent, surrounding states and areas [Upstate NY, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Connecticut etc]

African Americans- Southern States [The Carolinas, Georgia etc.]
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