Is East Harlem really that bad? (sales, renting, to buy)

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

whats your point? my point was that despite all the "gentrification" going on in harlem it still has quality of life and crime issues. far rock isnt undergoing gentrification its still the hood. junkies on the beach aren't an uncommon sight. yet i find it a little disturbing that million dollar condos are going up next to methadone clinics in harlem.

Well it's not gonna happen overnight, but changes are well on their way. There were condos going up next to methadone clinics in the LES at one point too. The clinics might still be there actually.

[Guywithacause]

There is nothing odd about million dollar condos going up next to Methadone clinics in Harlem..what's odd is why it took so long. What is odd is putting up Methadone clinics in an area that already has million dollar condos.

When you are already at the bottom...which is where Harlem WAS, you can only go up. That is what is occuring now....the line may go up, then down, then up, then down..but the LONG-TERM trend is up....

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

Well it's not gonna happen overnight, but changes are well on their way. There were condos going up next to methadone clinics in the LES at one point too. The clinics might still be there actually.

The LES is crap. public transportation sucks and there's still a lot of public housing in the area along avenue D. only thing that helps is that they're along the east river, kinda isolated from the neighborhood. people are paying $1200 for studios to shower with everybody else on the same floor or with a bathtub in their kitchen in these ancient walkups. thats what u call luxury living

[Guywithacause]

I dont think it is crap...but it definitely retains the old school NY which everyone claims is so great anyway. I am not a big fan overall of the Lower East side...but it does have the old school feeling..

And depending on whoelse is on the floor..I might LOVE showering with them... =)

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

I dont think it is crap...but it definitely retains the old school NY which everyone claims is so great anyway. I am not a big fan overall of the Lower East side...but it does have the old school feeling..

And depending on whoelse is on the floor..I might LOVE showering with them... =)

1st thing we agree on....i hate the LES it always looks dirty to me

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

The LES is crap. public transportation sucks and there's still a lot of public housing in the area along avenue D. only thing that helps is that they're along the east river, kinda isolated from the neighborhood. people are paying $1200 for studios to shower with everybody else on the same floor or with a bathtub in their kitchen in these ancient walkups. thats what u call luxury living

I wasn't talking so much about that aspect. A lot of apartments, generally outside of the luxury condos in downtown, I consider rip-offs. They are tiny and old. People pay more for the neighborhoods and for easy access to downtown, not the apartments.

But I remember LES being a pretty trashy neighborhood and considered dangerous even into the 90's. Heck people still consider it trashy. But it's not as dangerous.

[Guywithacause]

We have agree before Seventh...like you when you said I was your hero. (j/k)

NooYorker..most of the city is about LOCATION..which is why housing is so high in many areas! Paying for neighborhoods is ALWAYS what its been about.....most people dont get it though for some reason.

[DAS]

Paying for neighborhoods is ALWAYS what its been about.....most people dont get it though for some reason.

We get it. It is the NY tradition to haggle for the right price and to fight to keep the prices down.

[Guywithacause]

Hehe....from what I can tell the city has never been a place to move to for the reasonable prices...or haggling for RE. The exact opposite actually..people pay top dollar to live where they want to be...with sellers calling the shots. That is the NYC that I know....

[DAS]

People haggle all the time and don't pay top dollar. Buy that I mean that they try to pay the lowest that can be had for the type of space and the location that it is in. So if everything in the area for the amount of space is going for 1 mil of course you would try to get it for 900K. You don't just take out your check book and start writing the requested price. Nobody in NY does that unless they don't know any better.