NYC Teachers want retroactive 4% raises: FORGET IT (New York, York: neighborhood, public school)

[BuffaloTransplant]

Who does the negotiation with them? Find out.
[Yep, I'm a retired teacher. My husband & I made less at full salary than most teachers in NYC or LI make in pensions. A lot less]
You voted in the people on the Board of Ed. who negotiate the salaries. The salaries determine the pension. Simple answer? Get rid of the negotiators.

[bigjake54]

Originally Posted by MadisonR

yeah, everything is sold on amazon.com.

Enlighten us, as to the profession, where you make a good living solely on commission, as an independent contractor.

Originally Posted by MadisonR

you don't know a fuc-ing thing about me or what I do for a living

I know that you're a bitter +/or jealous little person. That much is obvious from your threads and posts.

Originally Posted by MadisonR

I have something called "savings", some of which is invested in things called annuities, which will continue to be intelligently managed and will allow me to enjoy a comfortable retirement, along with the firm's two pensions which my private company and I - not the taxpayer - have paid into.

I hope you do. Those commemorative plates aren't holding their value.

Originally Posted by MadisonR

Only an idiot thinks they know everything, especially about someone they've never even met.

You seem to think that you know a lot about teachers and public employees, although you've been neither. Makes you the idiot.

Originally Posted by MadisonR

My employer offers medical coverage

Really? For an independent contactor?

Originally Posted by MadisonR

about social security, I made no claim against it.

Right, because you're going to benefit from it, and Medicare. No doubt in amounts far greater than your contributions.

Originally Posted by MadisonR

This thread is about public employee unions - stick to the topic.

Actually, it looks like an article about the teachers union first blew your gasket. Did Mulgrew pee in your cornflakes?

Originally Posted by MadisonR

Is there a rule that says someone must change jobs every 5 years? I'm very successful at what I do, and I make a very good living.

Some here think there should be constant turnover among teachers. Why not in your sales job. You the only one who can sell widgets?

Originally Posted by MadisonR

"Reasonable" benefits and "decent" retirements? Like the cops making $260K/year, spiking their pensions with ridiculous overtime the last 2 years?

Wasn't your OP about teachers? NYPD police officer top base pay is $76,488.
Hold on there! Aren't you making a very good living? Have 2 pensions and annuities?

Originally Posted by MadisonR

Do you want riots, because you will get them if these SOB public union employees keep this BS up and start pushing, and they will get crushed, legally and physically. The public can only take so much.

Be careful, that's it's not your head on the first stick.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by BuffaloTransplant

Who does the negotiation with them? Find out.
[Yep, I'm a retired teacher. My husband & I made less at full salary than most teachers in NYC or LI make in pensions. A lot less]
You voted in the people on the Board of Ed. who negotiate the salaries. The salaries determine the pension. Simple answer? Get rid of the negotiators.

Bloomberg changed the school system in NYC so that the whole system it is completely under control of the mayor,so basically it is the mayor who will negotiate with the union.We just elected our negotiator and he was overwhelmingly elected with over 70% of the vote.

The average retired teacher pension in NYC is currently around 35,00yr and dropping quite rapidly. I hope you didn't really work as a full time teacher for less than $ 35,000 or it's equivalent for whenever you were working.When did you retire? I hear that Buffalo's retirement benefits are very generous.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

Bloomberg changed the school system in NYC so that the whole system it is completely under control of the mayor,so basically it is the mayor who will negotiate with the union.We just elected our negotiator and he was overwhelmingly elected with over 70% of the vote.

The average retired teacher pension in NYC is currently around 35,00yr and dropping quite rapidly. I hope you didn't really work as a full time teacher for less than $ 35,000 or it's equivalent for whenever you were working.When did you retire? I hear that Buffalo's retirement benefits are very generous.

There you go again!

Seventy percent of a record low twenty-four percent (of registered voters) is hardly a ringing endorsement.

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by BugsyPal

There you go again!

Seventy percent of a record low twenty-four percent (of registered voters) is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Of those who bothered to vote or who were even eligible (some people in NYC aren't citizens, and of those who are citizens they aren't necessarily NYC residents, the city has a big percentage of people who are in and out), de Blasio got the majority of the vote. So deal with it.

Bloomberg won election in 2009 when only 15% of New Yorkers voted, and he got 51% of the vote after spending 100 million. But all that was relevant, he was elected mayor and that was that.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

Of those who bothered to vote or who were even eligible (some people in NYC aren't citizens, and of those who are citizens they aren't necessarily NYC residents, the city has a big percentage of people who are in and out), de Blasio got the majority of the vote. So deal with it.

Bloomberg won election in 2009 when only 15% of New Yorkers voted, and he got 51% of the vote after spending 100 million. But all that was relevant, he was elected mayor and that was that.

Listen bub, the numbers came directly from NYC Board of Elections. Less than 24% of *Registered* voters cast ballots in last November's mayoral polls. We're not speaking of some abstract number comprising whomever and whatever you have mentioned, but persons actually listed on NYC voting records. You know those log books where your name is looked up before you cast a vote. The same records that are used to send various voting and or political information via mail during the year.

This is not rocket science; even a fourth grader could do the sums.

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by BugsyPal

Listen bub, the numbers came directly from NYC Board of Elections. Less than 24% of *Registered* voters cast ballots in last November's mayoral polls. We're not speaking of some abstract number comprising whomever and whatever you have mentioned, but persons actually listed on NYC voting records. You know those log books where your name is looked up before you cast a vote. The same records that are used to send various voting and or political information via mail during the year.

This is not rocket science; even a fourth grader could do the sums.

So what if the numbers came from the Board of Elections? Where did I even dispute them to begin with?

I said the bottom line the majority of people who bothered to vote (not counting those who couldn't vote) still elected de Blasio. In the US people are not required to exercise their rights to vote and mayoral elections often have low turn out.

But all that is irrelevant to the fact that de Blasio WON among the percentage of people who cared to vote at all.

[Bobby BK]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

But all that is irrelevant to the fact that de Blasio WON among the percentage of people who cared to vote at all.

Except for Italian/Jewish/Russian neighborhoods, where they hate the guy. Then again, he eats pizza with a knife and fork, so it's well deserved.

[MadisonR]

The only 2 statements I will respond to, which are enough. You're immature and clueless, and I will join the others in ignoring your infantile comments moving forward:

Originally Posted by bigjake54

You seem to think that you know a lot about teachers and public employees, although you've been neither. Makes you the idiot.

As others have said about you, YOU are clearly the IDIOT.

My father was a teacher and principal, my mother a teacher, my sister currently a teacher, both my wife and I went to public schools, and all of my kids are currently in public schools - ALL in the NYC public school system. You can really ST** right now, I know more about "the system" than a fool like you ever could.

Wasn't your OP about teachers? NYPD police officer top base pay is $76,488.

PA Sgt. nearly triples his $100K-plus salary with about 40 OT hours a week | New York Post

"“He’s on track to earn more than $280,000 in 2012,” one PA official glumly noted." The last thing I say to you before I add you to my ignore list: CLOSE YOUR MOUTH when you do not know what the f--k you are talking about. Idiot.
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As for the adults here, back to the topic. It is obvious that if our new mayor has any intention of surviving this term, let alone a new one, he will tell the 150 public unions to basically drop dead, and the retro-active pay is a non-starter.

[babo111]

Originally Posted by bigjake54

I befriended one of those teachers, who came from SoCal to NYC with bright eyes. Two years in a ghetto school made her switch to a yuppie school. One year there, and she gave up teaching and moved back to Cali.

If you can't even spell tenure, perhaps you shouldn't be opining on it.

I love it when people like yourself automatically equate spelling and grammatical errors with level of intelligence and education as their best come back because you have nothing of substance to contribute as rebuttal to my opinion. Compared to say bluedog's response which is informative and has lot of substance.

As for yourself, how many languages do you speak and write with fluency? Is English your first language?

I guess it doesn't cross your mind that English is not the first language of many posters on the forum? Let me blow your tiny boxed in mind because this is NYC forum and I'll let you in a secret that many folks in NYC were actually immigrants! Like myself who didn't speak a word of English until 12?13? years old. HOLY CRAP.