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Old 02-08-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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The DOE shouldn't have waited 5 years to renegotiate a contract. They def. have back pay owed to them. Dunno if they'll get it... but frankly they should have started a strike years ago. No fair negotiations is as equal a violation of the Taylor ammend. as striking.
Uh, wrong. The union decided to stop negotiating and hoped that a new, more liberal (i.e., financially clueless) mayor would come into office and give them what they want.

Reality will hopefully intrude and someday, perhaps we'll even be lucky enough to see the public employee unions eliminated through legislation, allowing municipal and state governments to thrive again.
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Old 02-08-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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Uh, wrong. The union decided to stop negotiating and hoped that a new, more liberal (i.e., financially clueless) mayor would come into office and give them what they want.

Reality will hopefully intrude and someday, perhaps we'll even be lucky enough to see the public employee unions eliminated through legislation, allowing municipal and state governments to thrive again.
Not happening. Public sector unions know how to bring out the vote, and the public admires cops and firemen (public sector unions who risk their lives to teach people). As for public sector teachers, they also fulfill baby sitting roles for the state. Crack down on teachers hard enough and let them walk off the job. But then what will parents do with all those school age children?

As for Cuomo running for higher office, he won't win. When was the last time a New York governor got anything on the national scene? Hillary Clinton nearly one the Democratic nomination (she lost to Obama) and then became the Secretary of State but that was because she was a popular first lady and NOT REALLY A NEW YORKER.

Every New York politician who tries to show how Republican they are to the rest of the country has EPIC FAILS. Giuliani,Pataki, Bloomberg, D'Amato, etc. Cuomo can cut taxes in NYS all we wants, he'll be joining the same crowd.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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Uh, wrong. The union decided to stop negotiating and hoped that a new, more liberal (i.e., financially clueless) mayor would come into office and give them what they want.

Reality will hopefully intrude and someday, perhaps we'll even be lucky enough to see the public employee unions eliminated through legislation, allowing municipal and state governments to thrive again.
You aren't well read enough on the subject matter to even begin to comment upon it.
Who crafted your eyeglasses, the NY Post?

With that said, this isn't about finances. It's about right and wrong.
Sucks that it costs the city money.
Stop and Frisk cost the city money, BAD idea. Lawsuits piling in. Unconstitutional.
Large sized soda ban cost the taxpayers money, BAD idea. No a legal legislation the mayor could authorize.

Plenty of government mistakes are expensive on the taxpayer.
You can't hold educators hostage because the city coffers are tapped because of poor planning.

Raise taxes. Continue to pay your civil servants.
Stop nickle and diming people in NYC and then have to subsidize them elsewhere.

Let the market rule. Unions and all.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/ny...h-city.html?hp

This is just insane. If there was a way to remove from this planet randi weingarten, mike mulgrew and all islamic terrorists, I'd push that button in a nano-second.

RETROACTIVE 4% raises? For a system that regularly finishes at the bottom of the industrialized world's rankings? It is insane that these fools want raises PERIOD, but retroactively is beyond the pale. This vermin thinks that with "their man" in the office, they are going back to the gravy train - but someone, somewhere, in the NYC government has got to step in and say "no."

At this point, there needs to be a state law passed to eliminate public employee unions, they are going to destroy this country if they are not eradicated like the cancer that they are.
This is why I can't stand unions. They are greedy pieces of ******. And in order to get their way, they use the good ol' "it's for the kids" union line to justify their position. "Do it for the kids". Oh please, the kids are not on your mind...your pockets are you greedy pigs!
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Old 02-08-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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This is why I can't stand unions. They are greedy pieces of ******. And in order to get their way, they use the good ol' "it's for the kids" union line to justify their position. "Do it for the kids". Oh please, the kids are not on your mind...your pockets are you greedy pigs!
Heaven forbid someone making between $50K and $100K a year in New York City and wanting a raise after 4 years. What a greedy pig they must be.

Unions sole goal is for their employees to get their way, that's how it works.
That's the point of a union.
To collectively bargain against the negotiation of administration.

Guess what administration's sole goal is... to get their way.

It's a little bit of back and forth.
At the end of the day, without unions the administration's goal would be to educate the children of New York City as cheaply and efficiently as possible, with quality taking a backseat to costs.

Public service is not a business, as costs grow so must revenue. This means taxation.
If you're unhappy with the service rendered, that's a very valid issue, but not one that is directly tied in with cost of educator compensation.
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Old 02-08-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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Heaven forbid someone making between $50K and $100K a year in New York City and wanting a raise after 4 years. What a greedy pig they must be.

Unions sole goal is for their employees to get their way, that's how it works.
That's the point of a union.
To collectively bargain against the negotiation of administration.

Guess what administration's sole goal is... to get their way.

It's a little bit of back and forth.
At the end of the day, without unions the administration's goal would be to educate the children of New York City as cheaply and efficiently as possible, with quality taking a backseat to costs.

Public service is not a business, as costs grow so must revenue. This means taxation.
If you're unhappy with the service rendered, that's a very valid issue, but not one that is directly tied in with cost of educator compensation.
Charter schools who by the way are non-unionized, do a better job educating than unionized DOE schools. In fact, that's the sole purpose why you freaken union thugs are attacking charter schools and wanting to charge them rent so to ultimately create a financial hardship for them so they can close up shop simply because they are NOT unionized and pose a THREAT to the UNION way of doing things. Ya'll a bunch of bullies!!!

Come on...the jigg is up.
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Old 02-08-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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Heaven forbid someone making between $50K and $100K a year in New York City and wanting a raise after 4 years. What a greedy pig they must be.
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Old 02-08-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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You people are barking up the wrong tree. The people who are really screwing us are the Wall St crowd and the rest of the 1/10 of 1%ers.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:15 PM
 
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The truth needs to be said about how the teacher's union want to sabotage non-unionized charter schools. The teacher's union wants a monopoly and wants to be the only game (crooked) in town. The charter school model is a threat to the old guard and a threat to their power if it expands and really catches on.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:36 PM
 
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I have a feeling Mayor De Blasio will pay the retroactive raises due to him being elected only due to union backing in this city. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the financial freedom to not owe special interest favors.
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