New York vs. London (single life, cleanness, safety, etc.) (Paris: theater, college)

[Worldtrotter]

Just about everything in London shuts down at midnight hence why i decided to leave, couldn't take it anymore. I had a job working for public transport in London which started early in the morning and finished late at night but could not get home via public transportation. Sucks!

[joshd9124]

Originally Posted by Worldtrotter

Just about everything in London shuts down at midnight hence why i decided to leave, couldn't take it anymore. I had a job working for public transport in London which started early in the morning and finished late at night but could not get home via public transportation. Sucks!

That alone gives NYC night life the edge over Londons nightlife imo.

[Worldtrotter]

Originally Posted by joshd9124

That alone gives NYC night life the edge over Londons nightlife imo.

Damn right, one can hop on the subway at 4am and get home. London's private taxi prices are crazy! As for the iconic black taxi's they drive at 20mph, could never get away with that in NY people have places to go, thats there lil trick to run up the meter.

[joshd9124]

Originally Posted by Worldtrotter

Damn right, one can hop on the subway at 4am and get home. London's private taxi prices are crazy! As for the iconic black taxi's they drive at 20mph, could never get away with that in NY people have places to go, thats there lil trick to run up the meter.

When I last visited London I was 15 so I didn't experience the nightlife but my two older brothers were in there 20's and they were disappointed in it.

[Worldtrotter]

Originally Posted by joshd9124

When I last visited London I was 15 so I didn't experience the nightlife but my two older brothers were in there 20's and they were disappointed in it.

Its lame on every aspect.

[NewParadigm]

Its lame on every aspect.

Sorry if I'm far from convinced by your comment here , but hyperboles like this suggest a coping response. Coping responses suggest that you know deep down that you're wrong and you're being deliberately disingenuous.

It is disappointing that London is not so much of a 24 hour city, but for as long as it lasts, its nightlife does offer more in variety and class than the other places I've experienced (contemporary NYC, Berlin, Amsterdam, Moscow.) Don't get me wrong. All of these cities have top quality clubs and venues, but when it comes to a vibrant, geographic synergy of night life experience, NYC and London lead the world. Also, NYC seems (at least to me) to be on the decline, whereas London is in the ascendant.

I've not experienced much of Los Angeles, but what I have experienced was not good. It still feels like a 3rd world country (no exaggeration), in places outside of select areas in Beverly Hills, Bel Air and Hollywood - and even those areas have an artificial faux-idyllic cheesiness to them. The clubs are not too bad though.

[Worldtrotter]

Originally Posted by NewParadigm

Sorry if I'm far from convinced by your comment here , but hyperboles like this suggest a coping response. Coping responses suggest that you know deep down that you're wrong and you're being deliberately disingenuous.

It is disappointing that London is not so much of a 24 hour city, but for as long as it lasts, its nightlife does offer more in variety and class than the other places I've experienced (contemporary NYC, Berlin, Amsterdam, Moscow.) Don't get me wrong. All of these cities have top quality clubs and venues, but when it comes to a vibrant, geographic synergy of night life experience, NYC and London lead the world. Also, NYC seems (at least to me) to be on the decline, whereas London is in the ascendant.

I've not experienced much of Los Angeles, but what I have experienced was not good. It still feels like a 3rd world country (no exaggeration), in places outside of select areas in Beverly Hills, Bel Air and Hollywood - and even those areas have an artificial faux-idyllic cheesiness to them. The clubs are not too bad though.

Well glad you understand our language I have not been to LA yet but have heard similar to what you have mentioned which is part of the reason i haven't bothered to visit yet.

As I mentioned before, essentially it's my opinion and the opinions of others I also met from other cities in Europe and around the world. Where I also organize events I look more in depth than the average person and really see whats going on. For example, London's west end night clubs are having difficulties making money at there bars and clubs on weekends, they are not making as much money as they used to, maybe its because of the watered down drinks as I mentioned above? It's also evident that the local council have no interest in keeping London's party goers in the area with the almost "end to free parking during evenings and weekends." This would have had an adverse affect on nightlife in the entire area and cripple the business of all bars and clubs even more. So yes they have put it on hold until after the 2012 Olympics, but essentially thats saying to all the businesses 'We'll give you a few more months until we hang you' What about all the theaters in the area? Entertainment is a very important factor in human life, as individuals we seek entertainment so that we don't get bored and depressed, and it is all slowly being taken away. Thats one of the top three issues I have with London and it was stressful enough with the lack of sun and traffic everywhere and you can see how it affects everyone day to day, thats why people can be so miserable. London's Ministry of sound was another one of London's iconic brands (inspired by New York City's Paradise Garage) that Southwark council also attempted to close in order to build a 41 storey residential tower block. London's scene is actually on the decline as it has been for years.

[NewParadigm]

London's scene is actually on the decline as it has been for years.

I don't know about the financial situation of individual clubs, but your claims here seem to be at odds with the macroeconomics of both cities. London is where the demand is, London is where the big money is being spent, London is where the investments are going. That seems to apply uniformly across most entertainment specialties (Yes, there's more to the nightclub scene here than the Ministry of Sound ). Why else would property prices here be rising when they are falling everywhere else in the country?

The same can't be said for New York, even given the margin of error in that I have comparatively less information for NYC than for London. It hasn't fared well after 9-11, and even less so after the Bear Stearns/Lehman Brothers collapse in 2008.

My personal experience of the nightlife in London is that it is simply more vibrant and interesting - I can't seem to find any way to identify with your comment above.

[Jasmine658]

I agree that find London interesting, but things still close so early. Did undergrad at Oxford, went into London for show at Barbican Theater, got out of show, no way back to Oxford. Oops. Was so surprised by limited hours for transportation.

But Paris not great either, night out at clubs, only 1am, then was locked into Metro calling for help in French to be let out. Cabs limited to taxi stands. Cigarettes everwhere, they said throwing in streets "provided jobs" ...thought disgusting.

Moved back to NYC where at least could stay out to 2am, catch cabs random places, and there would be people still out. Can ride the subway any hour and have many times although see more rats and roaches in wee hours. Also liked Milan, was able to stay out late there too. Friends liked Berlin for nightlife, never made it there. London was damp, but got a good Harrods coat that helped. NYC better weather, well 4 months of the year.

But now in SF, higher quality of life per dollar. Much better weather.

[Worldtrotter]

Originally Posted by NewParadigm

I don't know about the financial situation of individual clubs, but your claims here seem to be at odds with the macroeconomics of both cities. London is where the demand is, London is where the big money is being spent, London is where the investments are going. That seems to apply uniformly across most entertainment specialties (Yes, there's more to the nightclub scene here than the Ministry of Sound ). Why else would property prices here be rising when they are falling everywhere else in the country?

The same can't be said for New York, even given the margin of error in that I have comparatively less information for NYC than for London. It hasn't fared well after 9-11, and even less so after the Bear Stearns/Lehman Brothers collapse in 2008.

My personal experience of the nightlife in London is that it is simply more vibrant and interesting - I can't seem to find any way to identify with your comment above.

In regards to investments you could be right. Property in London does sell for a lot more money but essentially your paying a lot more for a lot less space. My property in London is no where near as spacious as what i have in NY.

Well saying there is more to London's nightclub scene than the Ministry of Sound could go to show how much you no about London's entertainment scene? That is London's most popular club which attracts thousands from Europe each year, they don't come to London for any other club. Anyway London has unfortunately lost when it comes to entertainment but excels in other areas. I could supply evidence to what i've stated above if needed to show its decline. Again London's club and entertainment scene is lacking and on the decline