Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:16 PM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,957,680 times
Reputation: 10120

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by 11KAP View Post
^ well the gentrifiers are racists too for pricing black people out of the hood, so who cares about them?
But who put Black people in the hood? 80 years ago, most of these Black people were farmers in rural parts of the South. You had massive rural landholding consolidation as better farming technology made most of the rural laborers redundant. So many of them moved to industrial cities like NYC. Only the industrial companies left Northern cities, creating the hood.

But the hood in and of itself has NOTHING to do with Black people. Its a creation of corporate and government forces that can destroy it as easily as they created it. As easily as they pushed poor sharecroppers off their land, they can push ghetto people out of the ghetto. And this has nothing to do with the gentrifiers at all. It has to do with how society values real estate. NYC is now a premium city. You really have to be making a lot to afford it. If not, its bye bye Miss American pie.

At this point I'd say many Black Americans have bailed out of NY anyway.

 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:18 PM
 
Location: New York City
19,061 posts, read 12,708,175 times
Reputation: 14783
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
Then the corporate sector in a NYC sense decided certain parts of town where good for the creative and tech sectors. And the government began investing in inner cities again. What was once viewed as bad, became good. And so the poorest people got displaced.
That's completely wrong - creative types and younger generations moved in to disinvested areas, made them trendy, and THEN the corps followed THEM, not the other way around. Companies follow growth potential
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:20 PM
 
Location: USA
8,011 posts, read 11,398,173 times
Reputation: 3454
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
But who put Black people in the hood? 80 years ago, most of these Black people were farmers in rural parts of the South. You had massive rural landholding consolidation as better farming technology made most of the rural laborers redundant. So many of them moved to industrial cities like NYC. Only the industrial companies left Northern cities, creating the hood.

But the hood in and of itself has NOTHING to do with Black people. Its a creation of corporate and government forces that can destroy it as easily as they created it. As easily as they pushed poor sharecroppers off their land, they can push ghetto people out of the ghetto. And this has nothing to do with the gentrifiers at all. It has to do with how society values real estate. NYC is now a premium city. You really have to be making a lot to afford it. If not, its bye bye Miss American pie.

At this point I'd say many Black Americans have bailed out of NY anyway.
whatever. this is the hear and now, so what does it have to do with you is the question. if nothing, save the friggin lecture.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:23 PM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,957,680 times
Reputation: 10120
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlakeJones View Post
That's completely wrong - creative types and younger generations moved in to disinvested areas, made them trendy, and THEN the corps followed THEM, not the other way around. Companies follow growth potential
Not even. In the 1990s, the federal government gave huge tax incentives to revitalize urban areas. The gentrification was planned by the corporate sector and by the government quite sometime ago. The hipsters were mainly pawns used to advertise areas and make them cool. Once they were cool with enough hipsters, the corporate sector spent its money full forced and displaced the hipsters.

Gentrification has never been a grass roots movement. The other thing is the tech and creative sectors expanded in NYC because they got huge tax incentives to come here. Its why NY has a film and tv industry, and why NY has a tech sector.

Just for filming a movie in NY, you get nearly 1/3 of the budget back in tax credits. If it weren't for tax incentives/corporate welfare there'd be no creative sector and no gentrification in NY. And this has been going on at least since the 1990s.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:24 PM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,957,680 times
Reputation: 10120
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11KAP View Post
whatever. this is the hear and now, so what does it have to do with you is the question. if nothing, save the friggin lecture.
In the here and now you have to make enough money to be able to live in NYC, or you have to leave. Plain and simple.

And plain and simple Blacks have no special claim or rights to live in NYC.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:25 PM
 
Location: New York City
19,061 posts, read 12,708,175 times
Reputation: 14783
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
Not even. In the 1990s, the federal government gave huge tax incentives to revitalize urban areas. The gentrification was planned by the corporate sector and by the government quite sometime ago. The hipsters were mainly pawns used to advertise areas and make them cool.
Then you'll have no problem citing specific incentives in specific areas right?
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:27 PM
 
Location: USA
8,011 posts, read 11,398,173 times
Reputation: 3454
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
In the here and now you have to make enough money to be able to live in NYC, or you have to leave. Plain and simple.

And plain and simple Blacks have no special claim or rights to live in NYC.
so that's what you did and now you're justifying
being replaced by someone who pays more, right?


you're a real funny old dude yo.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
9,246 posts, read 24,066,953 times
Reputation: 7758
Spike should marry Alec Baldwin.Two grumpy old men.They could live happily forever after…..in LA.

Last edited by bluedog2; 02-26-2014 at 03:54 PM..
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:40 PM
 
71 posts, read 90,248 times
Reputation: 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by 30to66at55 View Post
but he is right...how dare white people move in and improve a neighborhood. Damn...its a ghetttooo, lets keep it a ghetttoooo.
Damn you, You made me spit my drink out Lol.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:44 PM
 
338 posts, read 676,882 times
Reputation: 579
Quote:
Originally Posted by nightcrawler View Post
and as far as culture, you have got to be kidding? like Bushwick had any kind of culture you would want to live around?????



I'm sure a lot of the posters here know this already but Bushwick has only been a minority neighborhood since the mid-'60s or so. The excellent book Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bronx is Burning goes into a lot of detail about the history of Bushwick leading up to the blackout of '77 and its devastation during the looting. Bushwick was a very middle class, German-Catholic neighborhood until the '60s started. The loss of manufacturing jobs (especially those in breweries) started the decline of the neighborhood, which lasted a *long* time. The looting really, really did a number on the neighborhood and it's only relatively recently that Bushwick has started coming back.

I haven't listened to what Spike Lee actually said but I got the impression from CNN that he isn't so much against gentrification, as he wants the gentrifiers to be more respectful to the people who already live there. That they should add to the culture, not replace it. I can't really argue with that--nothing is more boring than a neighborhood that's been totally whitewashed (and I say that as the whitest, WASPiest person on the planet). I want to live in an area that incorporates a lot of different cultures, not just one.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top