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Obviously the Mayor thinks he is doing the right thing. Why does he want to close schools whats the idea?
When you filter through all the BS, it all boils down to charter schools not being unionized yet out performing unionized public schools. The charter school model is a threat to the unionized way of doing business. It's a threat to the old guard. Mayor de Bozo, is a union groupie. He bends over at the rear for them.
It has nothing to do with unionized teachers. Charters select their students and don't have to conform to public school rules. If a city can afford to do that and wants to do that, that is fine. But by law, all students have to have an education. The anti-public education people are saying that charters are better without realizing they have the deck stacked in their favor by merely having motivated students with involved parents. That's like an AP Calc teacher with college bound students saying she is a better teacher than the General Science whose students need the science credit before they apply to hairdressing or mechanical schools.
Again though, if the city wants and has the finances to do that - fine. However, most parents of public school students don't like that the charters are bragging that they are better while moving public school kids into half of their building and being treated better than the public schools. DeBlasio said he would stop co-locations and charge wealthy charters rent...which he should. He didn't stop enough as far as I'm concerned. He okayed 39 out of 49. The reason this is in the news is because Eva Moskowitz was rejected for three of her eight charters. She still got five but is upset. So now she has arranged for some of her kids' parent to sue DeBlasio in order to evict a middle school designed for kids with disabilities and make room for her special snowflakes.
I could go on about this woman...pays herself $500,000 a year, a million in advertising and lobbying, and can't afford to pay rent?
It has nothing to do with unionized teachers. Charters select their students and don't have to conform to public school rules.
This is a bold faced lie, by law charter school admissions are through random selection (lottery). All New York City residents are free to apply to any charter school located within their school district. This includes special need kids, disabled kids, and able-bodied kids.
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Again though, if the city wants and has the finances to do that - fine. However, most parents of public school students don't like that the charters are bragging that they are better while moving public school kids into half of their building and being treated better than the public schools.
Providing a better education for children is something that you should certainly brag about. It's becoming quite obvious that your angle to this is that you're a union guy. This is the main point of conflict in the whole issue, charter schools are non-unionized and the schools are free to have school open until later afternoon and offer extra gym class, exploration/reading time, help with homework, etc... At DOE schools this is not possible, the vast majority of teachers punch out at 3:00 PM and will punch YOU out if you ask them to stay any later
It has nothing to do with unionized teachers. Charters select their students and don't have to conform to public school rules. If a city can afford to do that and wants to do that, that is fine. But by law, all students have to have an education. The anti-public education people are saying that charters are better without realizing they have the deck stacked in their favor by merely having motivated students with involved parents. That's like an AP Calc teacher with college bound students saying she is a better teacher than the General Science whose students need the science credit before they apply to hairdressing or mechanical schools.
Again though, if the city wants and has the finances to do that - fine. However, most parents of public school students don't like that the charters are bragging that they are better while moving public school kids into half of their building and being treated better than the public schools. DeBlasio said he would stop co-locations and charge wealthy charters rent...which he should. He didn't stop enough as far as I'm concerned. He okayed 39 out of 49. The reason this is in the news is because Eva Moskowitz was rejected for three of her eight charters. She still got five but is upset. So now she has arranged for some of her kids' parent to sue DeBlasio in order to evict a middle school designed for kids with disabilities and make room for her special snowflakes.
I could go on about this woman...pays herself $500,000 a year, a million in advertising and lobbying, and can't afford to pay rent?
This does raise some a serious question for me. Seems like when I watch the news I'm bombarded with ads for charter schools, how DiB is ruining kids chances, how they can't survive if they have to pay rent, etc, etc. All of which raises the obvious question: If these schools can pay for TV ads ad nauseum, why can't they put that money into paying rent? After a public relations blitz like this that would put some U.S. senatorial campaigns to shame, it rings hollow when the charters start pleading poverty.
This does raise some a serious question for me. Seems like when I watch the news I'm bombarded with ads for charter schools, how DiB is ruining kids chances, how they can't survive if they have to pay rent, etc, etc. All of which raises the obvious question: If these schools can pay for TV ads ad nauseum, why can't they put that money into paying rent? After a public relations blitz like this that would put some U.S. senatorial campaigns to shame, it rings hollow when the charters start pleading poverty.
That's funny because I've never EVER ever seen a SINGLE commercial for a NYC charter school, let alone been "bombarded" or seen TV ads "ad naseum"
You should know though, that education is a popular philanthropic cause among people like Bill Gates who try to promote high standards & better resources kids globally. Organizations like the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation will lobby for initiatives in education and spend a lot of money that does not benefit them financially
Bla is a bought and paid for tool of the public employee unions, the UFT being one of, if not the, biggest. They don't like charter schools because the teachers in those schools are not union, and they see them a competition. Therefore, they want them shut down. And Bla is rewarding the union's campaign support by doing all he can to give them what they want.
This is a bold faced lie, by law charter school admissions are through random selection (lottery). All New York City residents are free to apply to any charter school located within their school district. This includes special need kids, disabled kids, and able-bodied kids.
Providing a better education for children is something that you should certainly brag about. It's becoming quite obvious that your angle to this is that you're a union guy. This is the main point of conflict in the whole issue, charter schools are non-unionized and the schools are free to have school open until later afternoon and offer extra gym class, exploration/reading time, help with homework, etc... At DOE schools this is not possible, the vast majority of teachers punch out at 3:00 PM and will punch YOU out if you ask them to stay any later
It is not a lie. The fact that you have to apply for the lottery right there says you are dealing with parent who care enough to fill out the application. Success and other charters have high attrition rates which would not be allowed in public schools. Plus just look at the percentages of ELL and special needs. They are extremely low in comparison to public schools and don't take severe special needs.
Keep spouting all you want about me being a union person when I am not. It actually tells me you are not smart enough to realize that people can read and come to their own conclusions. Charters are not providing better educations than public schools. They merely have more kids and families that work to receive that education also.
That last sentence is a bold faced lie...or just an ignorant statement made by someone angry with his own job. Even on days the teachers I know "punch out" early, they are doing plenty of work at home. So sorry they may have their own kids to pick up from school and will have to fill out lesson plans while at home rather than at school. Perhaps you should arrange to spend the day with a public school teacher if you think you know everything. Your assumptions wreak of misinformation and inability to critically think.
It is not a lie. The fact that you have to apply for the lottery right there says you are dealing with parent who care enough to fill out the application.
Actually what it says is that demand overwhelms supply. There are typically 400% or more applicants to a charter school than there are available seats. But union guys like you don't want parents to have that choice because you want more UFT jobs in the system with work rules that are bad for kids
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Success and other charters have high attrition rates which would not be allowed in public schools.
They're not allowed in DOE schools because by law children must be in school. If a kid isn't doing his work and keeps failing in a charter the parents have the choice of putting them in the zoned school to try something different. In the zoned school, there is no other choice except a visit from child protective services.
That's funny because I've never EVER ever seen a SINGLE commercial for a NYC charter school, let alone been "bombarded" or seen TV ads "ad naseum"
You should know though, that education is a popular philanthropic cause among people like Bill Gates who try to promote high standards & better resources kids globally. Organizations like the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation will lobby for initiatives in education and spend a lot of money that does not benefit them financially
But it will benefit them financially. They get their computers into the school -- computers loaded with software which will require updates and upgrades. At the National Conference of State Legislators Bill Gates is quoted as saying, "...a large uniform base of customers..."
The man does not view our children as students. To him, they are long term users and customers. He stands to profit from his 'philanthropy'.
Think about it: some of the greatest minds and greatest inventions have come from people who have had a conventional education -- sans computers and calculators. We don't have to reinvent the wheel, we have to repair a flat tire.
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